Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

sticky - that was neither the point nor the question nor anything else really .... however, don't tell me that you don't avoid tax at least to some extent, as it would simply not be credible

that being so .....

I agree cyners on Spread bets but certainly dont go out to avoid tax or evade tax. Just think about it, my profession accountant.(semi retired)

Can you imagine how my prof bodies would come down hard on me and suspend me. Would stop me from practising, not that I do anymore but I do the odd job and still pay the prof annual fees just in case.

Ive seen it happen.

it's certainly a personal choice, but i see nothing nothing at all immoral or untoward in taking sensible action to lessen one's IHT or income tax liabilities

obviously, there have always been some pretty aggressive measures on the market, but again i agree, to follow those courses is most assuredly asking for trouble and HMRC investigation

The evasion or avoidance by people who ship their money abroad (In one way or another) to avoid paying taxes in this Country that they would normally do so is wrong on a number of important levels for the rest of the people in this Country. If you don't get that or don't want to get that...It then that says more about you then anything else.

stan - for once read what i wrote instead of imagining same .... it would also do you good to get through your head the difference between evasion and avoidance

what others wish to do with their money is entirely their call, even giving it to battersea dogs home or unite, the former at least being more useful .... if the law allows people to avoid tax by moving assets abroad - they may then get whacked in that country, but no matter - then it's fair comment that perhaps the law should be changed, but i'm afraid that fighting it on moral grounds is just plain silly

by the way, all my own assets are uk registered and effectively based here .... unlike a good many here, i don't even have a second home of any kind or house(s) to let abroad

It's an economic point of back sliding and scrounging off the rest. As I say if you don't get that or don't want to get that then it just goes to show what a very greedy and very selfish individual you are... Now get back to work.

now read what i wrote you idiot, or better still, take off your blinkers first

Insults will get you no where, now get back to work... and get back to work now!

We should be humbly thanking the super-rich, not bashing them

As well as creating jobs and giving to charity, the wealthy should be hailed as Tax Heroes


London, the city with the most multimillionaires in the world



Boris Johnson

By Boris Johnson

9:19PM GMT 17 Nov 2013

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/10456202/We-should-be-humbly-thanking-the-super-rich-not-bashing-them.html



The great thing about being Mayor of London is you get to meet all sorts. It is my duty to stick up for every put-upon minority in the city – from the homeless to Irish travellers to ex-gang members to disgraced former MPs. After five years of slog, I have a fair idea where everyone is coming from.


But there is one minority that I still behold with a benign bewilderment, and that is the very, very rich. I mean people who have so much money they can fly by private jet, and who have gin palaces moored in Puerto Banus, and who give their kids McLaren supercars for their 18th birthdays and scour the pages of the FT’s “How to Spend It” magazine for jewel-encrusted Cartier collars for their dogs.


I am thinking of the type of people who never wear the same shirt twice, even though they shop in Jermyn Street, and who have other people almost everywhere to do their bidding: people to drive their cars and people to pick up their socks and people to rub their temples with eau de cologne and people to bid for the Munch etching at Christie’s.


Please don’t get me wrong. I neither resent nor disapprove of such zillionaires; quite the reverse. I just wonder, a bit, what it is like to be so stonkingly rich, and I wonder – as the rest of us have wondered down the ages – whether you can really expect to be any happier for having so much dosh.


I suspect that the answer, as Solon pointed out to Croesus, is not really, frankly; or no happier than the man with just enough to live on. If that is the case, and it really is true that having stupendous sums of money is very far from the same as being happy, then surely we should stop bashing the rich.


On the contrary, the latest data suggest that we should be offering them humble and hearty thanks. It is through their restless concupiscent energy and sheer wealth-creating dynamism that we pay for an ever-growing proportion of public services. The top one per cent of earners now pay 29.8 per cent of all the income tax and National Insurance received by the Treasury. In 1979 – when Labour had a top marginal rate of 83 per cent tax after Denis Healey had earlier vowed to squeeze the rich until the pips squeaked – the top one per cent paid only 11 per cent of income tax. Now, the top 0.1 per cent – about 29,000 people – pay an amazing 14.1 per cent of all taxes.

Nor, of course, is that the end of their contribution to the wider good. These types of people are always the first target of the charity fund-raisers, whether they are looking for a new church roof or a children’s cancer ward. These are the people who put bread on the tables of families who – if the rich didn’t invest in supercars and employ eau de cologne-dabbers – might otherwise find themselves without a breadwinner. And yet they are brow-beaten and bullied and threatened with new taxes, by everyone from the Archbishop of Canterbury to Nick Clegg.

The rich are resented, not so much for being rich, but for getting ever richer than the middle classes – and the trouble is that the gap is growing the whole time, and especially has done over the past 20 years. It is hard to say exactly why this is, but I will hazard a guess. Of all the self-made super-rich tycoons I have met, most belong to the following three fairly exclusive categories of human being:

(1) They tend to be well above average, if not outstanding, in their powers of mathematical, scientific or at least logical reasoning. (2) They have a great deal of energy, confidence, risk-taking instinct and a desire to make money. (3) They have had the good fortune – by luck or birth – to be able to exploit these talents.

So we are talking about the intersecting set in what are already three small-ish sets of people. It is easy to see how, in an ever more efficient and globalised economy, they are able to amass ever greater fortunes.

The answer is surely not to try to stop them or curb them or punish them – but to widen those intersecting circles that they inhabit. There are kids everywhere who have a natural, if undiscovered, flair for mathematics and the mental arithmetic that business needs. They just don’t have the education to bring out that talent – which is why Michael Gove, the Education Secretary, is so right to be conducting his revolution in schools.

There are loads of kids with the chutzpah to be kings of the deal, and there are plenty of businesses that could be the billion-pound companies of the future but are currently being held back – either by the weediness of the venture capital industry in this country, or else by something as simple as excessive business rates – the single biggest issue that is raised with me by London businesses.

There is no point in wasting any more moral or mental energy in being jealous of the very rich. They are no happier than anyone else; they just have more money. We shouldn’t bother ourselves about why they want all this money, or why it is nicer to have a bath with gold taps. How does it hurt me, with my 20-year-old Toyota, if somebody else has a swish Mercedes? We both get stuck in the same traffic.

We should be helping all those who can to join the ranks of the super-rich, and we should stop any bashing or moaning or preaching or bitching and simply give thanks for the prodigious sums of money that they are contributing to the tax revenues of this country, and that enable us to look after our sick and our elderly and to build roads, railways and schools.

Indeed, it is possible, as the American economist Art Laffer pointed out, that they might contribute even more if we cut their rates of tax; but it is time we recognised the heroic contribution they already make. In fact, we should stop publishing rich lists in favour of an annual list of the top 100 Tax Heroes, with automatic knighthoods for the top 10.

"As well as creating jobs and giving to charity, the wealthy should be hailed as Tax Heroes"... Oh no not that old line again -):

better than blinkered cynic-bashing!
btw, i've already done my bit for the economy this morning having just tied up a nice little deal in m/e and india

Sorry wrong thread.

Cynic,


As you d-in-law is suppose to be a medically qualified doctor, ask he quietly if there
is any medication you can have to help you with your condition.

You “outburst” are continuing to show ignorance of general and hospital practice and the “practitioner” contracts and changes over the last 25years or more.

Also, have a look as the change in hours of responsibilities which have occurred in the “working day” of medical practitioners during that period.

Also, have a look at the use of “agency” staff, doctors and nurses in hospital and general practice and the effect on practice.

Also, I haven't stated that all General Practice, or those who have Hospital appointments are incompetent, inefficient, or cheating the system. Many, probably, even the majority practice to a high standard, but there are many who don’t.

Again, I suggest you consider that the salaries, which are being paid to many in the health service, i.e. including doctors, nursing professionals and administrators, as many think those salaries are disproportionate to said “responsibilities”. Many of the pay increases over the last 20 years could be seen as "bribes".

The Royal Colleges and BMA are exceptionally good negotiators and propagandists of their cause.

Also, I suggest that to increase the very limited insight you show in comparison with your mouth and you obvious lack of intellect that you have a look at some patients who are repeat attendees at GP surgeries and follow their pathway and course in the treatment course from initial contact with a surgery to the final outcome.

The majority of the patients are “satisfied” but there are a hell of a lot who are not.

Also, GPs who complain about the load of repeat attendees could question why they may be failing those repeats and whether they can address the problems with different approaches to which they are presently using.

I am able to give more details, but with your shallow level of “thinking” I think it would be wasted.

I also suggest before you resort to your recurring methods of abuse, it may be sensible to consider the evidence and examine the work load and the working days of some practitioners in detail, before you rush to post.

One more point, asked A&E doctors, why there is a shortage of staff in those areas and also, ask where a large proportion of staff are obtained from.


DYOH

Before, Manuel applies for job at his local park as Park Attendant in charge of rowing boats.

Nice photo of Tony Blair wearing a red poppy

Goldfinger

It doesn't matter how much money you have , there are always ways of spending it in your life time like paying off the American deficit

''As well as creating jobs and giving to charity, the wealthy should be hailed as Tax Heroes''
MaxK----In certain instances when people give to charities the government through the taxpayer tops it up by the (inferred) tax rate paid by the donor, now IF the rich aren't paying tax then the burden of the government 'top up' is borne by those (less well off) who do pay tax. I pay tax and when I give to charity it is a charity of my choosing. I don't know about you but I object to my taxes going to a charity that some wealthy person decides to donate it to, especially when that person pays little or no tax.
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Fred1new - 18 Nov 2013 09:50 - 32929 of 32931


Cynic,


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george - i've prob missed something, but i don't understand your last sentence (I object to my taxes going to a charity that some wealthy person decides to donate it to)

fred - i can't be bothered to read 95%+ of your stuff, and your latest falls into that category