Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The policy is about being fair and not just letting people carrying on claiming without reassessment.

Hays more or less a certainty after this SELECT COMMITTEE meeting on 9th of Dec.

Should make for good television on the parliament channel. ill be watching all of it.

So thats 2 good bits of TV for the likes of yourself and me.
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This will be very good . Remember the date DEC 9th

Lets watch the liar get out of this one.

The number is finally up for 'cruel and incompetent' Iain Duncan Smith - alias 'Iain's Dodgy Stats'
20 Nov 2013

The Work and Pensions Secretary is finally being called to account for using inaccurate and misleading statistics to justify his policies

Since being appointed as Work and Pensions Secretary in 2010, Iain Duncan Smith has had so many problems with statistics it’s earned him the nickname ‘Iain’s Dodgy Stats’.

From November 2010, when he was caught out using figures from the website findaproperty.com instead of his own DWP statisticians, to his claim in May 2013 that the benefit cap had driven 8,000 people back to work, he has been censured by bodies including the Office for National Statistics.

This summer, two disabled women – Jayne Linney, 51, a grandmother from Leicester, and Debbie Sayers, 49, a mum from Cornwall – decided enough was enough.

“We felt dodgy stats were being used to take away people’s benefits,” Jayne says, helped into the Commons by Tony, her disabled partner and full-time carer.

“The way ministers tell the story affects how people see our lives. It is one thing to live with the physical challenges of a disability - it is quite another to hear misinformation every day from our own government.”

The women, who both suffer from fibromyalgia and other health problems, had only ever met through Facebook – but they decided to launch a Change.org petition together calling for IDS to be held to account over use of statistics. Within weeks, it had 105,069 signatures.

Yesterday, the petition was placed by Jayne’s MP Liz Kendall, according to tradition, into the green bag behind the speakers’ chair.

Hansard records that “The Petitioners therefore request that the House of Commons urges the Work and Pensions Select Committee to question Mr Duncan Smith at their earliest convenience to hold him to account on his use of statistics and further requests that the House requires Mr Duncan Smith to retract any incorrect statistics...”

Meanwhile, the Select Committee has agreed to “examine the way DWP releases benefit statistics to the media”.

“It feels wonderful to be at the House of Commons,” Jayne says. “And it’s wonderful to finally meet Debbie after all these months. It’s been a painful journey for both of us to get here – but we are determined that Iain Duncan-Smith should have to answer to MPs.”

On Monday, after delivering the petition to Liz Kendall and Kate Green MP, the shadow disabilities minister, I went with the campaigners to the debating chamber – to watch Duncan-Smith answer questions put by his Labour opponent Rachel Reeves.

But even while we were in Parliament, IDS dropped another dodgy statistic. This time, he claimed that child poverty rose under Labour - in fact it dropped by 800,000.

But the Institute for Fiscal Studies now estimates it will rise by 600,000 thanks to IDS’ welfare reforms.

“What really got to us in the beginning was a claim by Esther McVey, then the disabilities minister, that people getting Disability Living Allowance rarely had face-to-face medicals,” says Debbie.

“We knew this wasn’t true. When we looked into it, it turned out only nine per cent of DLA funding was spent on this basis.”

McVey had also made other claims, that Jayne and Debbie could prove were mistaken. They began with an open letter asking her to desist from “persistent use of dubious facts”.

So in April 2013, they launched their petition to bring IDS and the whole department to account, including McVey. The following month, IDS made his claim about the 8,000 people supposedly driven to get a job by the Benefit Cap.

It was true that 8,000 people had gone back to work, but his own department had made it clear they could prove no link with the Cap. The Trade Union Congress made an official complaint.

In July 2013, Andrew Dilnot CBE, Chair of the UK Statistics Authority said IDS had “broken the code of practice for official statistics”, and Jonathan Portes of the National Institute of Economic and Social Research said the DWP boss had gone “beyond spin”.

IDS started to take another tack, that conveniently required no statistics at all. “I have a belief I am right,” he told the Today Programme on Radio 4.

Even with a petition of over 100,000 signatures, the two women have had to fight hard to bring IDS to account. The Select Committee has said it will grill IDS when he appears before them with his department’s annual report – originally due in April.

The appointment been repeatedly cancelled – but will now happen in December, a stunning eight months late.

In the time that the women have been fighting, Debbie’s husband Jon has been through a battle with bone cancer. Now, their family faces even
more disability. Jon has had a total knee replacement with prosthetic bone connecting his leg and foot.

“This petition is so important because it is holding Iain Duncan Smith and Esther McVey to account for their repeated misrepresentations of disabled people’s lives,” says Liz Kendall, shadow care minister.

“They are not just cruel but incompetent – and use them to justify policies like the Bedroom Tax.”

Now, thanks to a disabled mother and grandmother, the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions will have to face an MPs’ select committee on December 9th – calling an end to Iain’s Dodgy Stats and Esther’s McVague Truths.

You can follow the women’s campaign on their blogs - jaynelinney.wordpress.com and ramblingsofafibrofoggedmind.wordpress.com

And support them and others by signing wowpetition.com

By the way i agree it is about being fair and these people over 450 now who have commited suicide arent the slackers who we see claiming and then going for a round of golf, they are genuinely sick and disabled people.

I like you detest the cheats as it give all the rest a bad name.

Right off for some snooze, been out fishing all day, bloody cold on that dam.

Remember the 2 committees are different.

1. Select committee, passed takes place on 9th December.

2. Backbench Business Committee......to be arranged.

you should go fishing for hammour as you'ld then be in this region and warm! ...... lovely time of year

hi Cyners I wish I was there, Id take you for a beer....... perhaps a few beers even a good -iss up.

Forget the fishing yesterday was freezing. My bones are aching to the core and only caught a 4 inch roach all day and a bit of night.

Too cold for them to feed.

Anyone know exactly how much extra these corrupt tossers get payed for sitting on their fat back sides on these "so called" committees? Pontificating about the "bleeding obvious" rather then just governing effectually and responsibly for "all" and not "themselves" and "their mates"?

The chairman of a select committee gets an extra £14,728 per year.

Stan I dont think they get anything extra, I think its all covered in their salary. Perhaphs they might be able to claim extra travel expenses.

Good watching though on parliament channel or sometimes SKY .

I remember when John Mann labour MP absolutely destroyed Osbourne in a treasury select committee on budget cuts and the lowering of the 50% tax rate.

First class TV.

WOW Hays thats way over the top.

What about the others then??.

They have to work much longer hours, especially in the evening.

Was that a Freddie roach ? Did you watch the Groves fight , should the ref have stopped it.

Stan

You know your football , who was the first refferee to book a gaolkeeper in a World Cup match ? I knew him , he worked at same company in London has i did.

Bless their little hearts.

Probably sliding up and down the greasy pole buying drinks in the subsidise bar and dining room.

Groves reckons not, but people in the crowd who saw his face at that side of the ring said his eyes were spaced out, so that sounds to me like the ref was right.

Question alders anyone, name Englands sub during the world cup win in 1966, clue it wasnt Jimmy Greaves.

No he shouldn't have been stopped at that second he wasn't badly wobbled ,probably would have been beat in the next minute or so who knows ,but after the way he fought and kicked the crap out of Froch for most of the 8 rounds he should have been given every chance ,bad call by the ref at that second .. Would add though Froch was completely gone when he got up after the knockdown in the 1st and there would have been a better case for stopping him then ,problem was everyone knows he's a warrior and can come back from that , Groves wasn't given that chance .

England - Germany FR4:2 a.e.t. (2:2, 1:1)
Date
Time
Venue / Stadium
Attendance
30 July 1966 15:00 London / Wembley 96924
Match Officials
Referee
Gottfried DIENST (SUI)
Assistant Referee 1
Tofik BAKHRAMOV (URS)
Assistant Referee 2
Karol GALBA (TCH)
Goals scored
Helmut HALLER (FRG) 12', Geoff HURST (ENG) 18', Martin PETERS (ENG) 78', Wolfgang WEBER (FRG) 89', Geoff HURST (ENG) 101', Geoff HURST (ENG) 120'
England
Line-up
[1] Gordon BANKS (GK)
[2] George COHEN
[3] Ray WILSON
[4] Nobby STILES
[5] Jack CHARLTON
[6] Bobby MOORE (C)
[7] Alan BALL
[9] Bobby CHARLTON
[10] Geoff HURST
[16] Martin PETERS
[21] Roger HUNT
Substitute(s)
[8] Jimmy GREAVES
[11] John CONNELLY
[12] Ron SPRINGETT
[13] Peter BONETTI
[14] Jimmy ARMFIELD
[15] Gerry BYRNE
[17] Ron FLOWERS
[18] Norman HUNTER
[19] Terry PAINE
[20] Ian CALLAGHAN
[22] George EASTHAM
Coach
Alf RAMSEY (ENG)
Germany FR
Line-up
[1] Hans TILKOWSKI (GK)
[2] Horst-Dieter HOETTGES
[3] Karl-Heinz SCHNELLINGER
[4] Franz BECKENBAUER
[5] Willi SCHULZ
[6] Wolfgang WEBER
[8] Helmut HALLER
[9] Uwe SEELER (C)
[10] Sigi HELD
[11] Lothar EMMERICH
[12] Wolfgang OVERATH
Substitute(s)
[7] Albert BRUELLS
[13] Heinz HORNIG
[14] Friedel LUTZ
[15] Bernd PATZKE
[16] Max LORENZ
[17] Wolfgang PAUL
[18] Klaus-Dieter SIELOFF
[19] Werner KRAEMER
[20] Juergen GRABOWSKI
[21] Guenter BERNARD
[22] Sepp MAIER
Coach
Helmut SCHOEN (GER)
Cautions
Martin PETERS (ENG) 1'
Expulsions

Chris, thats factualy wrong. They didnt have subs in the World Cup until the one after in 1970 in Mexico, they reckon because of the humidity and heat.

Was a trick question.

I think thats showing the squads of both teams.