Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Gordon Brown likes it, he's put in nearly 1 hour since his defeat, but hey ho the taxpayer is paying him very well thank you.
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At least he does less damage that way.

Can't argue with that, just a pity we still pay him.
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The same old "Conners"... never let "Propaganda" get in the way of the "Truth".

Stop talking sh-te about Zero hours Hays.

Youve obviosly been looking at a tory wrag.

Fact is these people on them are so desperate to get out of being unemployed they would accept anything.

What I do though recognise is Regional differences.

sticky - I have yet to understand exactly why some but certainly not all think zero-hour contracts are so terrible ..... as far as I can see, it is very little different from being a self-employed courier driver or even a plumber etc ..... in fact, being self-employed may well give even less "protection" when it comes to sickness, holidays, state benefits etc, but more than happy to be told (proved!) i'm wrong

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Well those on Zero hours Cyners have less rights than self employed. They get nothing but the hours they work.

My sister in London itself is so fed up with agencys that just offer them.

She has to work xmas day at normal rates and does not get any time off in lieu etc etc.

Its basicaly slavery.

And self employed people tend to charge a lot more than £7 quid an hour.

Rule No1 as an employee, Don't deal with agents.

Rule No2.......

cynic
Israel has just cancelled the settlement freeze because of the US / Iran deal. It is intended as a slap in the face for Obama.

That's right H/S, change the subject once you've lost the point.

so why is that different from self-employed?
and are you absolutely sure your correct about that anyway? ...... surely if you are contracted to a company on whatever terms, the company (and you) is bound by the social tax system according to what you earn etc

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MK ..... I can tell you for sure that courier drivers in particular are generally totally shafted by the companies they work for ...... they get paid per job or drop or whatever and it's then a case of like it or lump it

hays - that lives on the gaza thread, but you know my lower-than-a-snake's-belly view of Israel and that issue (among others)

cynic.

Yes, the delivery guys really are getting the royal shaft.

Between 70p and a quid per drop.

They are losing money every time they start the van up.

No way can you run a large van on that sort of money (and make a profit)

at a complete tangent
can anyone recommend a good execution only broker for SIPP shares?
in case you are wondering, I have kicked my so-called investment trust and similar guys into touch .... of course they're crap!

Cyners the only thing the employer is bound to on Zero hours contracts is the minimum wage. Nothing else.

If something goes amiss obviously statute english law can be refered to both by the employee and the employer.

Why are you thinking of getting some young sexy dolly birds on the cheap for your business etc etc, insisting company dress is stocking and suspenders only. !!!!

i don't think they get that much

the only way a driver can make good money (nett) is to be very well organised and to know backwards the shortest and quickest routing - always assuming he has fixed routes to start with, and many do not

he is also dependent on his courier company controller operating a level playing field - and again, many do not

Alf, I'm now off to the Fortress, but am prepared to advise you tomorrow if you can wait... for the usual commission of course -):

no and I don't even wish!
I now have a very small office - just the 2 of us - as we moved all the admin to Rotterdam a couple of years back