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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 26 Aug 2010 18:54 - 3447 of 6906

The money side of it not of any business of anyone. It would be the same as when a church or synagogue is built and people might ask why the money was not spent on some humanitarian cause. i have a lot of sympathy as I can't stand any religion. I am not pro-Muslim, far from it. I would be anti-mulsim as with any faith. My complaints about Israel is not religion based. It is based on the Palestinian cause and the bad treatment by Israel.

Haystack - 26 Aug 2010 18:58 - 3448 of 6906

BBC today

The European Union has criticised Israel for convicting an organiser of weekly Palestinian protests against the West Bank separation barrier.

EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton said she was "deeply concerned" about Abdullah Abu Rahmeh, who now faces several years in prison.

She said he was a "human rights defender" committed to non-violent protest.

Israel's foreign ministry described her statement as highly improper.

Jailed since December, Abdullah Abu Rahmeh was convicted by a military court on Tuesday of inciting protests in the West Bank village of Bilin and of participating in the protests without a legal permit.

Lady Ashton expressed deep concern "that the possible imprisonment of Mr Abu Rahmeh is intended to prevent him and other Palestinians from exercising their legitimate right to protest against the existence of the separation barriers in a non-violent manner," her office said.

"The EU considers the route of the barrier where it is built on Palestinian land to be illegal," it quoted her as saying in a statement.

Her statement drew a sharp rebuke from Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor, who said that any "interference with a transparent legal procedure is highly improper".

Sentencing is scheduled for next month, after which Abu Rahmeh - a 39-year-old schoolteacher - will appeal the conviction, his lawyer has said.

Activists have been protesting against the barrier for five years in what they say are mostly peaceful demonstrations. Some demonstrations have been attended by stone-throwing Palestinian youths.

Israel says it considers the protests to be "violent and illegal". Israeli security services have fired tear gas, stun grenades, rubber bullets and on occasion live rounds at protesters.

There have been two fatalities among protesters and an American peace activist suffered brain damage after being hit by a tear gas canister.

Israel says the barrier was established to stop Palestinian suicide bombers entering from the West Bank.

But Palestinians point to its route, winding deep into the West Bank around Israeli settlements - which are illegal under international law - and say it is a way to grab territory they want for their future state.

In 2004, the International Court of Justice in The Hague issued an advisory ruling that the barrier was illegal and should be removed where it did not follow the Green Line, the internationally recognised boundary between the West Bank and Israel.

cynic - 26 Aug 2010 19:03 - 3449 of 6906

the situation in jerusalem is very different.

Ground Zero, for very obvious reasons, is highly sensitive to the american psyche - and quite rightly too.
there are, or so i believe, a couple of other mosques within a few blocks so to build another within the immediate vicinity, would seem at best, totally insensitive and at worst, intentionally and downright provocative.

i will accept your point that money to set up this building was promised before the floods in pakistan, but nevertheless, it would be prudent for the authorities to check its provenance, as indeed would be done here.

as for lacking tolerance, it cuts both ways, which you seem to have ignored.
indeed, tolerance implies an appreciation of the sensitivities of others.
the "noisy" muslims are very quick to take affront for alleged insensitivity (intolerance), though the same choose to be blind to similar in others - as in this instance

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meanwhile, your buddy Bullseye cannot even perceive the question, so clearly beyond his abilities to answer it .... no surprise there i guess

Haystack - 26 Aug 2010 19:11 - 3450 of 6906

I'd be more inclined to ban all churches, mosques and synagogues anywhere unless they pay taxes, rates etc like any business and allow them no special privilages or status.

Fred1new - 26 Aug 2010 19:49 - 3451 of 6906

Cynic,

From a little hearing of a brief interview of those supporting and involved the "Moslem building" in Ground Zero, they appeared to be attempting to be conciliatory, although I thought slightly naive and their timing could have been better.

Ie. I wouldn't have done it there and now, but the one thing I remember was in spite of all the previous killings, Golda Meir and Egyptian President Anwar Sadat "shook hands" and negotiated.

It may have been wrong, but both sides attempted to change and move on.

cynic - 26 Aug 2010 20:30 - 3452 of 6906

i think you are being very naive or should i say, incredibly gullible ..... conciliatory in even proposing to build a mosque on this site can scarcely be thought of as conciliatory .... perhaps i am being stupid, but please explain

do you think that the authorities in UAE, let alone Saudi or Syria or Iran or similar, would allow an anglican church, let alone a synagogue, to be built within sight (i would like to say spitting distance) of one of their mosques, let alone one of high profile?

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Bullseye - you're a total arsehole and as usual your post has no intelligence or relevance whatsoever

Haystack - 26 Aug 2010 21:41 - 3453 of 6906

cynic
Why does it matter if Saudi would not allow the same thing? It seems to me that the US is just being open minded and showing a lack of prejudice.

micky468 - 26 Aug 2010 22:03 - 3454 of 6906

if you have time watch this video and then pass it on

http://www.youtube.com/user/n1n2n3n4100#p/f/138/eAaQNACwaLw

cynic - 26 Aug 2010 22:08 - 3455 of 6906

don't confuse what the law will allow (and in this instance the constitution too) and what common human decency should dictate - i.e. respect for the feelings of others ....

however, i note that you tacitly agree that no moslem country would entertain for one millisecond the idea of a "foreign" church being built within spitting distance (sorry, sight) of one of their mosques ..... so yes, it does matter; as my grandfather said, "treat others as you would like to be treated"

Haystack - 27 Aug 2010 01:12 - 3456 of 6906

Saudi is not very liberal regarding churches and mosques. In fact there are no churches or synagogues in the whole country, although there have been negociations about allowing a church. Iran is quite different. There are lots of churches and synagogues and some within sight of mosques.

cynic - 27 Aug 2010 07:47 - 3457 of 6906

when did you last go to iran?
why is iran's jewish population now perhaps 10% of what was one of the largest jewish communities in m/e?

how many churches and synagogues in UAE?

and yet again - but then you are pretty dumb - the point about the proposed mosque adjacent to Ground Zero, is the fact that it is a very high profile and NEW structure

Fred1new - 27 Aug 2010 14:13 - 3458 of 6906

Cynic,
Perhaps, the Jewish contingent has emigrated from Iran to Israel.

I am wondering, whether you are blinkered, or thinking of standing for the next election to Israeli administration. Your grandiose stances would fit well with those who are presently in control of that country.

With you present reactionary stances you seem well equipped to help Israel continue their present method of negotiations. in any future peace processes concerning the whole of the M.E.

There is an old adage If something isnt working, changer your approach.

Many of your statements reflect the intransience and inflexibility by both sides, in previous attempts to achieve a decent settlement, for all the people of that region.

Previously, Israel was negotiating from a position of strength, but America and the majority of the World appears to be less supportive than previously.

It would be sensible to recognise when the tide goes out.


Fred1new - 27 Aug 2010 14:31 - 3459 of 6906

PS.

I think, in comparison to America's and Britain's invasion of Iraq, the Moslem insensitivity in New York is minimal, other than to those who deliberately wish to continue hostilities between the different factions.

Also, comparing the building of Islamic centre in New York, again I would consider it less provocative than destroying Palestinian homes and property in the Gaza, Jerusalem and various areas of Israel.

But, take offence as you find suitable.

Fred1new - 27 Aug 2010 14:55 - 3460 of 6906

It may be appropriated to read the following:

"FACT CHECK: Islam already lives near ground zero"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_ot/us_mosque_fact_check


In The Land of the B - 27 Aug 2010 19:31 - 3461 of 6906

So Brain Dead Fred doesn't have any Jewish relatives......why doesn't that surprise me...........

In The Land of the B - 27 Aug 2010 19:34 - 3462 of 6906

And haystacker only has a stack of hay upstairs (as in bungalow brain) ........why doesn't that surprise me...........

fahel - 28 Aug 2010 17:28 - 3463 of 6906

The Palestine Legal Aid Fund is a unique legal aid fund to support Palestinians in bringing human rights cases in international courts.
Legal mechanisms offer Palestinians hope of their claims being heard in an independent forum. Yet until now, there has been little access to justice for Palestinians.

Mary Nazzal-Batayneh discusses the legal movement for Palestinian rights in these short videos (part 1 and 2, only 10 minutes each).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pv6zuLGftM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkba3YyWNo8

For more info:
www.humanrightsfund.org

In The Land of the B - 28 Aug 2010 17:33 - 3464 of 6906

Israeli justice is administered by independent courts.
Hamas/Hizbollah "justice" is the torturing of anyone suspected of having Jewish contacts or friends - and then their execution.

It's about time someone started a fund for justice for Palestinians repressed by Hamas in Gaza. No that they would take any notice.

Haystack - 28 Aug 2010 18:35 - 3465 of 6906

Israeli justice is administered by 'independent court's.

No it is not. Military courts overrule the courts every day. The so called independent courts release people and the military just arrest them again. I happens every day. I could fill this thread with examples of just that.

Hamas is extremely popular amongst the Palestinians. If there were new elections there would be a landslide in their favour. That is why the PA cancelled the election that was due in June in the West Bank. They were afraid of how well Hamas would do and how unpopular Fatah is.

In The Land of the B - 28 Aug 2010 20:28 - 3466 of 6906

OMG you really don't have a clue. You just swallow the propaganda and regurgitate like a cat then eat your own vomit.
The lack of independent thought is mind boggling. Just copy and paste as nauseum, ad infinitum. To use your own words, "why should I be objective?"
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