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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

cynic - 26 Aug 2010 20:30 - 3452 of 6906

i think you are being very naive or should i say, incredibly gullible ..... conciliatory in even proposing to build a mosque on this site can scarcely be thought of as conciliatory .... perhaps i am being stupid, but please explain

do you think that the authorities in UAE, let alone Saudi or Syria or Iran or similar, would allow an anglican church, let alone a synagogue, to be built within sight (i would like to say spitting distance) of one of their mosques, let alone one of high profile?

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Bullseye - you're a total arsehole and as usual your post has no intelligence or relevance whatsoever

Haystack - 26 Aug 2010 21:41 - 3453 of 6906

cynic
Why does it matter if Saudi would not allow the same thing? It seems to me that the US is just being open minded and showing a lack of prejudice.

micky468 - 26 Aug 2010 22:03 - 3454 of 6906

if you have time watch this video and then pass it on

http://www.youtube.com/user/n1n2n3n4100#p/f/138/eAaQNACwaLw

cynic - 26 Aug 2010 22:08 - 3455 of 6906

don't confuse what the law will allow (and in this instance the constitution too) and what common human decency should dictate - i.e. respect for the feelings of others ....

however, i note that you tacitly agree that no moslem country would entertain for one millisecond the idea of a "foreign" church being built within spitting distance (sorry, sight) of one of their mosques ..... so yes, it does matter; as my grandfather said, "treat others as you would like to be treated"

Haystack - 27 Aug 2010 01:12 - 3456 of 6906

Saudi is not very liberal regarding churches and mosques. In fact there are no churches or synagogues in the whole country, although there have been negociations about allowing a church. Iran is quite different. There are lots of churches and synagogues and some within sight of mosques.

cynic - 27 Aug 2010 07:47 - 3457 of 6906

when did you last go to iran?
why is iran's jewish population now perhaps 10% of what was one of the largest jewish communities in m/e?

how many churches and synagogues in UAE?

and yet again - but then you are pretty dumb - the point about the proposed mosque adjacent to Ground Zero, is the fact that it is a very high profile and NEW structure

Fred1new - 27 Aug 2010 14:13 - 3458 of 6906

Cynic,
Perhaps, the Jewish contingent has emigrated from Iran to Israel.

I am wondering, whether you are blinkered, or thinking of standing for the next election to Israeli administration. Your grandiose stances would fit well with those who are presently in control of that country.

With you present reactionary stances you seem well equipped to help Israel continue their present method of negotiations. in any future peace processes concerning the whole of the M.E.

There is an old adage If something isnt working, changer your approach.

Many of your statements reflect the intransience and inflexibility by both sides, in previous attempts to achieve a decent settlement, for all the people of that region.

Previously, Israel was negotiating from a position of strength, but America and the majority of the World appears to be less supportive than previously.

It would be sensible to recognise when the tide goes out.


Fred1new - 27 Aug 2010 14:31 - 3459 of 6906

PS.

I think, in comparison to America's and Britain's invasion of Iraq, the Moslem insensitivity in New York is minimal, other than to those who deliberately wish to continue hostilities between the different factions.

Also, comparing the building of Islamic centre in New York, again I would consider it less provocative than destroying Palestinian homes and property in the Gaza, Jerusalem and various areas of Israel.

But, take offence as you find suitable.

Fred1new - 27 Aug 2010 14:55 - 3460 of 6906

It may be appropriated to read the following:

"FACT CHECK: Islam already lives near ground zero"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100819/ap_on_go_ot/us_mosque_fact_check


In The Land of the B - 27 Aug 2010 19:31 - 3461 of 6906

So Brain Dead Fred doesn't have any Jewish relatives......why doesn't that surprise me...........

In The Land of the B - 27 Aug 2010 19:34 - 3462 of 6906

And haystacker only has a stack of hay upstairs (as in bungalow brain) ........why doesn't that surprise me...........

fahel - 28 Aug 2010 17:28 - 3463 of 6906

The Palestine Legal Aid Fund is a unique legal aid fund to support Palestinians in bringing human rights cases in international courts.
Legal mechanisms offer Palestinians hope of their claims being heard in an independent forum. Yet until now, there has been little access to justice for Palestinians.

Mary Nazzal-Batayneh discusses the legal movement for Palestinian rights in these short videos (part 1 and 2, only 10 minutes each).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pv6zuLGftM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkba3YyWNo8

For more info:
www.humanrightsfund.org

In The Land of the B - 28 Aug 2010 17:33 - 3464 of 6906

Israeli justice is administered by independent courts.
Hamas/Hizbollah "justice" is the torturing of anyone suspected of having Jewish contacts or friends - and then their execution.

It's about time someone started a fund for justice for Palestinians repressed by Hamas in Gaza. No that they would take any notice.

Haystack - 28 Aug 2010 18:35 - 3465 of 6906

Israeli justice is administered by 'independent court's.

No it is not. Military courts overrule the courts every day. The so called independent courts release people and the military just arrest them again. I happens every day. I could fill this thread with examples of just that.

Hamas is extremely popular amongst the Palestinians. If there were new elections there would be a landslide in their favour. That is why the PA cancelled the election that was due in June in the West Bank. They were afraid of how well Hamas would do and how unpopular Fatah is.

In The Land of the B - 28 Aug 2010 20:28 - 3466 of 6906

OMG you really don't have a clue. You just swallow the propaganda and regurgitate like a cat then eat your own vomit.
The lack of independent thought is mind boggling. Just copy and paste as nauseum, ad infinitum. To use your own words, "why should I be objective?"

Haystack - 28 Aug 2010 20:31 - 3467 of 6906

Most of the reports come from the UN and some independent news services like the BBC.

And how do you come to the conclusion that Israeli courts are independent. You must be even more gullible than I thought you were.

Haystack - 28 Aug 2010 20:41 - 3468 of 6906

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/57D00BE6597450FF8525774D0064F621

United Nations Report

Report of the Special Rapporteur on independence of judges and lawyers, Gabriela Carina Knaul de Albuquerque e Silva

"According to the information at my disposal, between 1990 and 2006, more than 150,000 Palestinians, both civilians and those implicated in the conflict, have been brought before Israeli military courts. Military Order 378 Concerning Security Provisions of 20 April 1970 established the jurisdiction of the military courts. The law appears to grant the military courts jurisdiction that enables them to try any Palestinian individual resident or non-resident of the occupied Palestinian territory regardless of whether the offence was committed within that territory or not.

The most common charge used is article 53 (a) of the Military Order 378 entitled Offences against the Maintenance of Public Order which carries up to ten years of imprisonment. This provision appears also to be used against children as young as 12 years for throwing stones at the Wall.

In this connection, I would like to refer your Excellencys Government to General Comment No. 32 of the Human Rights Committee in which it emphasized that the trial of civilians in military or special courts could raise serious problems as far as the equitable, impartial and independent administration of justice was concerned.

In my opinion, the exercise of jurisdiction by a military court over civilians not performing military tasks is normally inconsistent with the fair, impartial and independent administration of justice. This should even more evidently apply in cases of minors."

616. Mr. Mohammad Othman, returning from Norway where he carried out advocacy work and met with Government officials, was arrested on 22 September 2009, at the Allenby Bridge Crossing between Jordan and the West Bank. Mr. Othman was placed in detention at the Huwwara detention centre and then transferred on 24 September 2009 to the Kishon (Jalameh) interrogation centre where he was placed in solitary confinement.

617. The Kishon Military Court extended his detention on 29 September 2009 for ten days. The Salem Military Court further extended his detention period on 8 October, 19 October and 27 October 2009. On 1 November 2009, the Court rejected an appeal against the extension of his detention. On the same day the military court prosecutor requested that Mr. Othman be prevented from meeting his lawyers until the next court hearing. The Salem Military Court sustained the proposal at a hearing on 2 November 2009, in the absence of both Mr. Othman and his attorneys. An appeal from Mr. Othmans lawyers challenging the application of the military prosecution preventing him from contacting his lawyers had been rejected by the Military Court of Appeals on the basis that the appeal should be filed directly with the High Court of Israel.

618. Mr. Othman has reportedly been subjected to lengthy interrogation sessions, some of them lasting from 8:00 am until midnight. He has been allegedly threatened that the interrogations could last for up to 180 days. He was reportedly also threatened with life imprisonment and told that his human rights work would not be helpful as he is now in the hands of the State of Israel.

619. On 8 November 2009, the court extended Mr. Othmans detention period for another ten days and also prolonged the ban on access to his lawyers until 15 November 2009, citing the interests of the interrogation as a reason. Since the ban on contacts with his lawyers, Mr. Othman has been held incommunicado. He receives occasional visits by ICRC delegates.

620. According to information available, to date no charges have been brought against Mr. Othman, nor has he been brought to trial.

621. Concern is expressed that the continued detention of Mr. Mohammad Othman without charges may be related to his work in defence of human rights, especially to his advocacy work and for speaking out against the construction of the separation wall.

Gausie - 29 Aug 2010 11:20 - 3469 of 6906

Tony Blair Addresses Haystack and his ilk - (25th August 2010)

"Don't apply rules to the Government of Israel that you would never dream of applying to your own country"

required field - 29 Aug 2010 11:43 - 3470 of 6906

What on earth has this nonsense to do with shares or investments of any kind ?.....we all know what a pain in the neck the jews and arabs are ! always playing dirty tricks on people...not for no reason that they both have a filthy reputation.....and who the hell is interested in a blinkin Blair speech ?....lot of nutters you lot !...

Haystack - 29 Aug 2010 14:44 - 3471 of 6906

Tony Blair is not someone to be taken seriously when discussing the ME.
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