Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

fred is pretending to be "balanced" as every other post he has made is anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian and pro-terrorist (no, not all Palestinians are terrorists, the majority are decent people who rightly want a state of their own).
He is merely dissembling because he thinks that will add weight to his anti-Israel (and anti-Semitic) ramblings, as in, "ooo, look at me, I'm objective, unlike my mate haybrain so you can believe in what I say".
Don't be so easily fooled - though being deceived happens to all of us.....I once thought Blair was a decent man and believed his lies about WMD !

I did say "may go up" if he continued.....

Fair enough :)
Whereas haybrain asks "why should I be objective", fred doesn't have anything but the remotest and most transient relationship with objectivity.
I suppose even the worst people have some redeeming feature, however insignificant. Hitler was supposed to be fond of dogs, for example........

The killings are to be deplored. The reporting of the events are very muddled. Hamas claims that one of the four people in the car was a settler responsible for terrorist activities against Palestinians.

A number of Palestinans have been shot at and killed by armed settlers. Of course no one reports on the fishermen shot at and killed every few days by Israeli gun boats of the coast of Gaza or the farmers shot at by Israeli troops from within Israel along the border as Israel says no one can farm with a mile of the Gaza/Israel border. Armed settlers enter Palestinian villages almost daily and destroy their crops and olive trees ransack their houses and fire automatic weapons at them.

Jewish settler leaders have urged their followers to terrorize and murder Arab civilians in response to the Tuesday night attack near Hebron.

Earlier this week, Ovadia Yosef, the religious mentor of the ultra-Orthodox Shas party, which represents Jews from the Middle East , called for the "annihilation of all Palestinians."

"I pray to God to annihilate them with a plague," said elderly rabbis. His virulent remarks received little condemnation in the Israeli Jewish society.


As usual four Israelis are killed and there is a public outcry. Palestinians are killed almost daily by Israeli settlers and by Israeli Occupation Forces and there is little said. This is hardly balanced reporting, bearing in mind that Israel is the occupying force. They even call their soldiers the IOF (Israel Occupying Force). They are also building hundreds of settlements illegally in the West Bank.

What would happen in any other country if an occupying force started to build settlements in the occupied area? In the last war, Germany occupied France and they were subject to sabotage attacks and killings. What would have happened if Germany had imported 500,000 people and built settlements of Germans in France? That is exactly what Israel is doing. There are now 500,000 Israelis living in illegal settlements in the West Bank,

ITLOTB
"Hamas refuse to talk to Israel and demand its destruction "

No, incorrect. Hamas has not refused to talk to Israel. They are happy to talk to Israel. They want settlement building to stop, they want the right of Palestinian refugees to return to the West Bank and Gaza and they want the Palestinians to be officially recognised. These are the conditions before talks. Hamas are happy to have Israel exist, but they want the land to be shared between Jews and Arabs.

You are confusing Hamas with Hezbollah. Hexbollah want the total destruction of Israel. This is not what Hamas want.

Such an expert LOL !

For once I'll use a copy and paste from Hamas's (Islamic Resistance Movement)Charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

You misunderstand what is being said. They want the state of Israel destroyed, not the people. They want the whole of Israel to be Palestine again and then the people who live there can share it (Jews and Muslims). Hamas is not anti-Jewish. There are plenty of Jewish people who live in mulsim countries in the ME. There were Jews living in Gaza until Israel forcibly removed them to Israel. They somehow thought it was what the Palestinians wanted and might be a path to peace. There are lots of Jewish groups in europe and in Israel who support Hamas. It is Zionism and not the Jews that Hamas hates.

"Hamas has not refused to talk to Israel. They are happy to talk to Israel.", says haybrain.

" Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors." says Hamas

Reconcile your words with Hamas's.
Go on, try.....after all, anything is possible once sense and objectivity are discarded.

Your gullibility knows no bounds.
What do you think would happen if Hamas was able to destroy Israel?
Do you really think the Jews and Israeli Muslims there would survive?
Destroy Israel but not its peoples?
Time you got a one way ticket back to the planet you came from.......or the mental institution.

Others can see why a "debate" is impossible with your kind; self-confessed rejecters of objectivity who only see what they wish to see and reject all else.

I suspect you and your kind are best left to rage and rant with silence from all others - that should be familiar to you; it's like your padded cell.

Bye bye

Don't get confused by the invective of conflict. Plenty of Israeli government members also call for the destruction of the Palestinians. This article from Reuters this year is worth reading as it gives a more realistic view if what Hamas think. Meshaal is the real leader of Hamas and the only hope of a political solution. He has made similar comments over the last five years or so.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64T2AM20100530

Reuters May 2010

Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal has stated explicitly that the Palestinian Islamist group will end its armed struggle against Israel if the Jewish state withdraws from Palestinian land it occupied in the 1967 Middle East War.

Hamas, which refuses to recognize Israel, has long maintained that it will enter into a long-term truce if Israel pulls out of the West Bank and East Jerusalem and agrees to a right of return for millions of Palestinian refugees.

Speaking on the Charlie Rose program on U.S. PBS television, Meshaal directly addressed the issue of armed resistance, which is the basis of its ideology as a national liberation movement.

"Israel started (the conflict) by the occupation so the resistance is a reaction. The action is the occupation, and the reaction from the Palestinians is that it ends," Meshaal said, in an interview taped on Thursday, according to a transcript released by PBS.

"So when the occupation comes to an end, the resistance will end, as simple as that. If Israel would go to the 1967 borders ... that will be the end of the Palestinian resistance."

Meshaal said if a "Palestinian state with real sovereignty" were established under the conditions he set out, then the nature of any subsequent ties with Israel would be decided democratically by the Palestinians.

Hamas has ruled Gaza since it won a brief civil war in 2007 against supporters of Western-backed Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas's more secular Fatah faction, creating a schism that has undermined the Palestinian cause.

The movement had said it could live peacefully alongside Israel if a two-state solution was reached in which all occupied Palestinian land was returned, even though its 1988 founding charter calls for the destruction of Israel and the establishment of a Palestinian state in all of pre-1948 British-mandate Palestine.

I condemned "unnecessary" murder or killing by any group or individual person.

The perpetrators of these murder and similar crimes are both Arabs and Israelis.

More often, than otherwise, the sufferers of the atrocities are innocent of anything crime other than existing.

In the ME, the it seems the main and continuing abuse, has been by the Israelis (administration) of the Arabs, by their inability to accept the humanitarian rights of all the people within and without the Israeli borders.

The arrogance of the Israeli administration is bewildering, as is the stupidity of some of the utterances by some Arab bodies.

The Israeli government does not have the support of large sections of their population. It only exists because it is propped up by the extreme right wing religious parties. The current talks will fail for many reasons. One reason is that the Palestinians want a halt on settlement building and Israel won't give that undertaking as the right wing part of the government has just recently told Netenyahu that they will bring down the government if new settlement is stopped.

Accepted.

This is done by an Israeli amazing not just land also books stolen.
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06/09/2010
Israeli foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman declared that the first round of the direct negotiations between his occupation state and Palestinian de facto president Mahmoud Abbas miserably failed a few days after they were launched in Washington.

The Israeli media quoted Lieberman as saying during his meeting with members of Yisrael Beiteinu parliamentary bloc that it would be unlikely to reach a comprehensive agreement with the Palestinians over the next year or the next generation.

Wonderful Gausie

Israel is preparing for what is being described by its army as the mother of all flotillas, which could include up to 20 different ships planning to set sail for the Gaza Strip in the coming months, Jerusalem Post reported on Tuesday.

The English language newspaper said that the army is closely tracking the planned flotilla, preparing for wide-range of scenarios including the possibility that due the large number of ships, it will need to stop the flotilla far from regional shores.

Anwar Gharbi, a member of the European campaign to end the siege on Gaza which is one of the founders of the freedom flotilla, said that hundreds of NGOs were backing the Freedom Flotilla 2.

He told Quds Press that alliances were made in various European countries, which include tens of human rights groups, to support the fleet.

We hope to have a broad coalition from European countries, and also maybe the United States, Dror Feiler, an Israeli-Swedish musician and artist who lives in Stockholm and one of the organizers behind the flotilla told The Jerusalem Post on Monday. We would like it to be double the size of the last flotilla, with at least a dozen ships and more than thousand people.

The British magazine "The Economist" has ruled out the possibility of forging a peace agreement between the PA in Ramallah and Israel without the consent of Hamas.

It said in an article published on Wednesday that no such agreement would be possible without the approval of Hamas, which represents almost half of the Palestinians and controls the Gaza Strip.

The magazine called for the involvement of Hamas in the direct talks, noting, however, that the movement was not ready yet to accept the three conditions set by the international community in order to integrate it in the peace process mainly declaring ceasefire, recognizing Israel and abiding by former PA-Israeli agreements.

The article expressed understanding for Hamas's refusal of such conditions

Haystack

Is this the article you're misrepresenting with your statement: "The article expressed understanding for Hamas' refusal of such conditions"?

Why would you imply that The Economist sympathises with Hamas's refusal? Did you even read the article? Or was it another blind cut and paste from a partisan news agency? Maybe this one: ABNA (fundamentalist Shia news agency)? Amongst its many insane ramblings is a press release that is a word for word copy of your post above.


Bringing Hamas to the table

Sep 2nd 2010, 14:50 by Lexington

THIS is straying out of area but with Egypt's President Mubarak staying in the hotel at the bottom of my road in DC and blocking local traffic it is probably permissible.

Anyhow, I was delighted at the beginning of this week's Middle East peace summit in Washington to hear George Mitchell, America's peace envoy, nail the much-quoted argument that Hamas should be invited into the peace process in Palestine, just like the IRA was in Northern Ireland. This is what he said:

Let me say theyre very different And while we should learn what we can from other processes, each is unique... But on the central point, the reality is that in Northern Ireland, Sinn Fn, the political party that is affiliated with the IRA, did not enter the negotiations until after 15 months had elapsed in the negotiations, and only then because they met two central conditions that had been established. The first was a ceasefire, and the second was a publicly stated commitment to what came to be known as the Mitchell Principles because I was the chairman of the commission that established them.

Exactly. Of course there will be no final deal on Palestine without the acquiescence of Hamas, which represents at least half of the Palestinian movement and controls the Gaza Strip. Of course it should be at the table at some point. But Hamas has so far locked itself out of the talks by its refusal to accept the three conditions laid down by the international community: a ceasefire, recognising Israel and abiding by previous agreements signed between Israel and the Palestinians. I understand why agreeing to these conditions is difficult for a movement with Hamas's history. But, please, no more IRA comparisons.