Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Gastric juices?

Http://WWW.youtube.Com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE


I've seen many videos and photos , but this is by far the best description of Hamas ! This video was made not by Israelis , but by an Arab , a Palestinian who shows you who hamas really is !

Israel has been telling this to the world for years , but the world prefers to turn the deaf ear and blind eye to the sad truth !

Hamas against the Palestinians ! This is how they succeeded in being elected - by force !

Please watch the video , if you don't have 10 minutes to spend on it it's OK - the first 2-3 minutes are enough to understand .I am still shocked from what I've seen.

Haystack, maybe you are confused. 8-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_OGhj43GAE

After looking at this video all I can say is God bless Israel.
Any one of you who is not moved by what you see on this video the sheer hypocricy of Hmas is UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

They are a bunch of animalistic murderers.
Come on Israel I hope that some of those Hamas shown in the trucks killing their own people are now no longer on this earth.

I was shocked.

And so will you be.

It could be that Hamas have no control over "the Militants" as people call them and they will just keep on as they are now......it does not look good !.(I have not seen the video).

For those who still would like reasonably reported new about Gaza.

And reports from United Nations s spokesmen

Not my words or reporting.


http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/politics/international_politics/palestinian+dead+in+gaza+tops+1000+/2904372




For those without blinkered vision look at channel4 news tonight!

It is up to you to make your own decisions.

Thanks for the warning, sivad.
I couldn't watch that.

I'm sure there are many who would agree with rawdm999 that it is most likely that Hamas are armed with chemicals, for the simple reason that Israel would never be able to justify such a measure that flouts the Geneva Protocol. How often have we heard it reported that there have been second and third explosions after Israel have hit their targets?

And you're probably right, required field.
That's why Israel are pressing on, until the ink finally dries on any ceasefire agreement - this time around.

Channel 4 news

http://www.channel4.com/news/watchlisten/more4news.jsp

I suppose here is another barmy individual


Veteran Jewish MP compares Israelis in Gaza to Nazis
Veteran Labour MP Sir Gerald Kaufman today compared the actions of Israeli troops in Gaza to the Nazis who forced his family to flee Poland.
During a Commons debate on the fighting in Gaza, he urged the Government to impose an arms embargo on Israel.
Sir Gerald, who was brought up as an orthodox Jew and Zionist, told MPs: "My grandmother was ill in bed when the Nazis came to her home town .. a German soldier shot her dead in her bed.
"My grandmother did not die to provide cover for Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinian grandmothers in Gaza.
"The present Israeli government ruthlessly and cynically exploit the continuing guilt from gentiles over the slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust as justification for their murder of Palestinians."
He said the claim that large numbers of the Palestinian victims were militants "was the reply of the Nazi" and added: "I suppose the Jews fighting for their lives in the Warsaw ghetto could have been dismissed as militants."
The Manchester Gorton MP acknowledged that Hamas was a "deeply nasty organisation" but it was democratically elected and "is the only game in town".
Refusing to hold talks with Hamas was a "culpable error from which dreadful consequences have followed," he said.
Calling for an arms embargo, he said: "It is time for our Government to make clear to the Israeli government that its conduct and policies are unacceptable and to impose a total arms ban on Israel."
Sir Gerald added: "It is time for peace - but real peace, not the solution by conquest which is Israel's real goal but which is impossible for them to achieve.
"They are not simply war criminals, they are fools."

Well he has been a long-term critic of Israel going back many years so no surprise he criticises current actions. Anyway, looks like the end is drawing near. Hopefully, Israel will get the necessary assurances soon.

Good discussions on Question Time and This Week last night. Must admit I hadn't realised it is not just Israel that Hamas wants to destroy but all Jews globally. Frightening thought.

yes indeed it is, now where have I heard that before.........?

Lord Levy on This Week afterwards was a little more balanced. The only problem he ignored the causes of the problem. But at least he was moderate in his opinion.
He will be glad to know that my opinion of him, which had been pretty low, was raised a little. 8-)

Kaufman was at one time very pro-Zionist, but has modified his position and prepared to criticise the Zionist extremist groups.

Agree with you on Lord Levy.

Perhaps you could try the balance thing as well Fred. Sure you could drag up plenty of articles from Arabs criticising Hamas if you've got the time this afternoon.

Isaacs, I give you permission to do that.

You seem to find the arguments to support your position on the Ongoing Murder and Carnage more easily than I can.

When there are negotiations this time, I hope there will be steps to enforce Israel to fulfil its previous contracts. , This could be using military force if necessary.

I thought you wanted some balance Fred as per Mr Levy. Not much of that in your comments so doing my part to even things up. Both sides are at fault and both can stop short-term. Longer-term bit tricky if Gaza run by Hamas, Hamas continues to want to destroy Israel and see all Jews regardless of nationality as legitimate targets and Hamas keeps getting its hand on rockets. Personally I think we should just ban religion (if only that was possible). Fairy tales that are the root cause of so many problems.

.Isaacs, Probably we agree more than disagree on the Middle East. And I accept the difficulties of a longterm solution.

I think Hamas and Iran are being rhetorical of in voicing or even believing that Israel and the Jews can or should be eradicated.

Go back to Winston Churchill war period, when the the only good German, was a dead one. This phrase then repeatedly used on the streets.

It was symbolic and rabble rousing, but useful for uniting the "people of this country" I think we are now at peace with Germany and we will continue to be so.

Look through the garbage bins of Tory and Labour party political election speeches. (Of what they think of one another or will do when in power.

Look at the extreme views (right and left) of some of our politicians when they were younger. Look at the allegiances of some of those politicians when at Universities etc.

However, I do feel that there was an abuse of the Palestinians, by the major powers, in permitting the setting up and recognising the state of Israel.

The State of Israel is fait accompli and has to be accepted as such. However, its use of military force to enforce its will, has to be curtailed.

Also, it has to respect the reasonable decision made at the United Nations. (For all its weaknesses, the latter is all that we have as place of mediation.)

I think the rocket firing into Israel, is an ongoing attempt by the Palestinians, to keep the eyes of the world focussed on the Palestinian problem. (The rockets are almost a symbolic plea, as they havent a real hope in hell of doing any real damage with them, which will be of any lasting account to Israel. (I am not trying to dismiss or ignore the Israeli wounded and dead.)


The reason for me continuing multiple posting, is to keep eyes focussed on the situation in the Middle East. If one doesnt do so it allows abuses to continue and also for those in power to continue to abuse those they are supposed to represent.

Also I hope and think there are moderates on both sides, who believe in a better future for both sides and they can be brought together.


I have been interested in "politics" since school days, but hold to allegiance to any party or "god", and appreciated more and more, Dave Allens sentiment May your god go with you!

Fred - you keep banging on with

I think the rocket firing into Israel, is an ongoing attempt by the Palestinians, to keep the eyes of the world focussed on the Palestinian problem. (The rockets are almost a symbolic plea, as they havent a real hope in hell of doing any real damage with them, which will be of any lasting account to Israel. (I am not trying to dismiss or ignore the Israeli wounded and dead.)

.... and what you say is complete bullshit. How much attention seeking do you think they need? Do you suppose that they continue to fire rockets when the whole world is already focussed on them because they still dont have enough attention?

And don't forget - they smuggle in enough propellant, explosives and cases for over three thousand rockets a year, and enough firepower to hold back one of the most advanced militaria in the world, yet in the same breath complain that they dont have enough food or medicine. I wonder who chooses what to smuggle in? I wonder who chooses between smuggling in the boxes marked rockets/AK47s/Mortars/Shells/Ammo/Mines/RPGs/Suicide belst and those marked food/medical supplies?

Gausie. still around.

What would be you choice in thier situation?

Lie down and die? Paint a cross on your back for target practice for Israel armaments

Don't limit yourself, try and think five years ahead!

I think they are still firing rockets to get attention. They know that if they stop then there might be a ceasefire. A ceasefire will reduce the newsworthiness of Hamas. They want to appear as the opressed. That is not to say that they are or are not opressed.

Haystack, Perhaps, you are right, but I think it may be awareness of "out of sight, out of mind".

Ie. allowing Israel to ignore its United Nations, obligations once again,

Gausie, Do you have investments in Arms Manufacturers at the moment?

Powerful lobby in America.

Could make some money, if you do?