jasonwalt
- 20 Aug 2004 13:58
Brokers Hargreave Hale gave the following Valuation for HMY
VALUATION
The nearest comparisons to this Group are Sondex, trading on a current year multiple of 14 and Weir Group which typically trades on multiples of 12 plus. We would argue that Hamworthys prospects are brighter than both these companies in view of the strong order book and the global positioning. Fully taxed earnings of 13p this year and 16.5 p for the 2005/6 end March, suggests a current year PE of 9.9x and a prospective PE of 7.8x. There is a prospective yield in excess of 4%. If trading on a similar PER to Sondex the shares would be valued at in excess of 180p. We would argue that a premium to Sondex is justifiable, in particular because of the potential ramp up to sales as a result of the new product pipeline now gaining client acceptance in what is in any event one of the fastest growing markets in the world.
"Shares" Article relating to Hamworthy (HMY) posted below for info.
With a following wind these shares should double over the next year or so.
Some catty folk in the City say the flotation last month by Collins Stewart
could have been handled better, i.e. at a higher price. It was certainly over
subscribed but the rating is half that of similar oil sector service companies
including Sondex.
goldfinger
- 15 Feb 2005 09:49
- 354 of 915
Nice to see this one ticking up.
cheers GF.
goldfinger
- 16 Feb 2005 09:03
- 355 of 915
In the blue again this morning.
cheers GF.
accord
- 16 Feb 2005 18:08
- 356 of 915
Moving averages look good, up a pence or two each day is fine by me.
Im up 20% since jumping in so keeping this for the long haul ahead. I just need OXB and BPRG to start rolling.
goldfinger
- 16 Feb 2005 23:44
- 357 of 915
Well done accord.
cheers GF.
rob308
- 17 Feb 2005 09:16
- 358 of 915
.5% every other day???????????? yes please, compound that over a year and I will be happy.
Have held now for 3 x months and will be holding long term.... good share.
rob
paulgrip
- 18 Feb 2005 15:09
- 359 of 915
From Tradewinds today "Qatar's LNG producers have finally gone out to shipowners with their next huge tender for up to 12 LNG newbuildings worth an estimated $2.8bn...Market players say Qatar Ship Acquisition Team (QSAT), which exxonmobil's Bob McCormack will shortly take over as chair, is asking owners to submit offers on 12 of the so-called Q-flex LNG ships of around 210,000 cbm. They are also being asked to quote on 10 Q-Max vessels of about 250,000 cbm. These would be the largest LNG ships ever built." "Companies are being asked to express interest after which formal offers will be requested for next month, with a view to selecting the preferred owners by April. The aim is to see the charter contracts awarded by june/july. Qatar has already secured 16 LNG newbuildings, eight conventional-size ships and eight Q-Flex ships as part of its huge 60-ship acquisition project connected to its export drive. This next tranche of LNG ships are needed to serve Qatar's planned RasGAs III train-six project. The giant 7.8 million tonnes per annum production train is set to supply LNG to the US from 2009. But Qatar's appetite for LNG ships will not stop there. Three more huge tenders are planned"
It is the above tenders for new LNG ships that could mean happy days for Hamworthy if they win the contracts to supply the re-gasification pumps, and hence why the price has moved up in the last few days. As the winner of the last 8 contracts, it is more than possible Hamworthy will also win the next ones...and with LNG being the future on world energy, Hamworthy should have a massive future. IMHO
Priscilla
- 18 Feb 2005 15:22
- 360 of 915
paulgrip, please excuse my ignorance but do you have any idea about the timescale, ie roughly how long will we need to wait before we know if HMY have been successful or not?
RD
- 18 Feb 2005 15:58
- 361 of 915
Tried to top up several times today, but there seemed to be a limit in place and couldn't get a quote for more than a few hundred pounds' worth so gave up in the end. Other buys went through so is this down to the broker I'm using Fidelity? And what are the implications for the share price if there are lots of others like me who want to buy but aren't allowed to? Any comments would be welcome as I've been in this game for six months but am still really no wiser as to how the mms operate.
paulgrip
- 18 Feb 2005 16:04
- 362 of 915
I am not exactly sure...certainly it is more like a couple of months than weeks...but i think the recent activity in the share price means that it is certainly on the agenda, and at the forefront of the mm's minds. I would say anytime from April to July but ultimately it all depends on how long QSAT take in the tenders. Sorry for not being anymore accurate.
Priscilla
- 18 Feb 2005 16:07
- 363 of 915
No, that's very useful, paul. Tenders on this scale and in this market are not my area of expertise, so your guesstimates are fine for my purposes.
goldfinger
- 18 Feb 2005 16:08
- 364 of 915
Some excelent research here, keep it up guys its nice to see this one breaking new highs.
cheers GF.
mickeyskint
- 18 Feb 2005 16:18
- 365 of 915
RD
It's the old story of supply and demand. If everyone want's them the mm's can work the price up. It's their job to create a market so when good news hits the market place, investors want to buy so the price increases. When the shares start to dry up and the mm's run low of stock then they start to play their silly games, like tree shakes. So investors sell frightened of loosing out, the mm's buy up at a lower price and the whole cycle starts again. A very simplistic explanation I know but hope it helps. It's not too unlike car dealing.
MS
goldfinger
- 18 Feb 2005 16:21
- 366 of 915
Housebroker Collins Stewart new forecasts which were published on January 11th.The broker is looking for earnings per share to increase from 14p at 31/12/04 to 16.9p at 31/12/05 a prospective growth increase of 20.7%. This recent forecast implies that all is well and has the shares on a forward pe of 11.7.
cheers GF. Derd cheap.
RD
- 18 Feb 2005 16:25
- 367 of 915
Thanks, MS. Given that these do seem to be in short supply, I wonder if we should anticipate a tree shake (by which I think I understand you mean the mms drop the price to frighten people into selling off their holding) on Hamworthy in the near future?
mickeyskint
- 18 Feb 2005 16:25
- 368 of 915
Nearly jumped ship a while back GF and your posting made me look at my position again and decided to stay in. How right you were. Many thanks for that.
MS
mickeyskint
- 18 Feb 2005 16:55
- 369 of 915
RD
You never know. I think holders of HMY are too strong to fall for that. This is a definite hold for me. If the contracts that will be up for grabs come HMY's way, which I think they will. Then the sp will go much higher. Hold and the good times will be just around the corner.
MS
goldfinger
- 18 Feb 2005 16:58
- 370 of 915
Dito.
cheers GF.
jimwren
- 18 Feb 2005 18:59
- 371 of 915
Having worked in the oil and gas industry for over 20 years I can tell you that big tenders such as these can easily take a year or more before firm orders are placed. The tenders from the shipbuilders can be fairly swift ( 1-2 months) as they will bid based on one of their standard designs. The oil company will then put that to its operations and technical departments to see how the basic design meets their needs. Any changes are fed back to the builders for new prices and then the haggling starts. At the end of the day it depends on how much of a hurry people are in. One positive point is that HMY with their track record are probably on the builders list as one of the standard suppliers, although that doesn't mean that you can't ask for something else - it just costs you. All in all I think HMY are very well placed but big orders take time.
mickeyskint
- 18 Feb 2005 21:02
- 372 of 915
There must be something in the wind. The share price hasn't increased for nothing. HMY are probable best placed to get any new contracts as they already have ships with their plant on board and working well.
MS
paulgrip
- 19 Feb 2005 01:02
- 373 of 915
jimwren...I dont think they will take that long...these deals have already been in the making for months if not years, and the owners bidding for the tenders are the same as the last tranche, so most things should already be in place. As for the designs on the ships they should be much the same as the last 8 contracted ships, so there shouldnt be too much to re-negotiate, and ultimately they need to have these ships on the water around 2008, so they dont have too much time to hang around...I do however agree with you in that HMY are well placed. IMHO