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THE TALK TO YOURSELF THREAD. (NOWT)     

goldfinger - 09 Jun 2005 12:25

Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Haystack - 20 Jan 2014 19:03 - 35650 of 81564

The result of a recession.

Fred1new - 20 Jan 2014 19:20 - 35651 of 81564

During the period which the torrid con party being in "charge"!

Almost 4 years.

Over grown school boys poncing around on the stage planning the next U-turn.

goldfinger - 20 Jan 2014 19:21 - 35652 of 81564

The result of a fall in LIVING STANDARDS for middle Britain whilst at the same time Tories reducing top rate tax and discussing it again for the top 1%.

U TURN TORIES

MaxK - 20 Jan 2014 19:52 - 35653 of 81564

Why Labour should be terrified of Ukip


By Tim Wigmore Politics Last updated: January 20th, 2014


The Conservatives have been afraid of Ukip for years. Now it's Labour's turn. Nigel Farage is aggressively targeting its core vote. And in the constituency of Doncaster North, Ed Miliband could get a very bloody nose from Ukip.

“Eton and Oxford – what do you expect?” Kevin from the Doncaster Trades & Labour Club is not speaking about David Cameron. A Labour voter at every general election since 1945, he’s talking about Ed Miliband. Even in his own fiefdom, they think he’s just another professional politician from a posh school.

Other Northern towns have suffered worse from the crash, but there's no escaping its legacy in Doncaster. The main shopping centre retains its vibrancy, but, a quick ride on the 405 bus later, it's a very different story. Bentley high street, the heart of Mr Miliband's constituency, is awash with rundown shops and struggling fast food joints. Two recession-proof outlets – a Betfred and a Tesco store – amount to the centre of the high street. Perhaps the desperation explains why several shoppers I talk to are new Jehovah's Witnesses converts. These are much easier to find than those voicing newfound enthusiasm for Labour's alternative to the Coalition.

“The days of people going into politics to help ordinary people are long gone,” Paul, a part-time teacher, says at the Trades & Labour Club. “There’s no one in government who understands working-class people”. The number of former manual workers in Parliament has fallen from 98 in 1979 to 25 today.

“The Labour leader” – Paul forgets Mr Miliband’s name – entered politics because, like David Cameron, he had “nothing else to do when he left school”. Another man exclaims that, “we are ignored up here from down South”. So it seems as if David Lammy was on to something when he warned that Labour "can’t just be the party of Primrose Hill and Parliament Hill".

If Doncaster North is Miliband-land, it doesn’t feel much like it. The Labour vote here collapsed from 34,000 in 1992 to 19,000 in 2010. In Doncaster's three seats, Labour has lost 40,000 votes since 1992.

Charts are broke, you'll have to look at the full article.


Full article here: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timwigmore/100254439/why-labour-should-be-terrified-of-ukip-2/

Haystack - 20 Jan 2014 20:10 - 35654 of 81564

Cameron and Cameron have done so badly that we are growing faster than any other western country.

MaxK - 20 Jan 2014 21:05 - 35655 of 81564

Doesent say much for the other countries.

You know it's all bollox and part time working!

Why else is the social bill still rising?

goldfinger - 20 Jan 2014 21:39 - 35656 of 81564

Max, Hays lives in a trance. Dont take too much notice.

MaxK - 20 Jan 2014 23:07 - 35657 of 81564

Dil - 21 Jan 2014 02:25 - 35658 of 81564

Haystack 17 Jan 2014 11:30 - 35533 of 35659

cynic
What you are doing is quite legal. When I had a company, one year my partner and me took our whole year's salary as a dividend., which was quite a saving. Sole traders can still do the same. IR35 is really aimed at contractors (specifically IT) who work through contract agencies. As I said you can avoid all the IR35 rules fairly easily.



Lol , that's why there was such an uproar when it came into effect. The majority of people it is aimed at cannot avoid it but it is quite easily to illegally evade.

Dil - 21 Jan 2014 02:35 - 35659 of 81564

cynic - 20 Jan 2014 10:02 - 35611 of 35660

Labour will make jobless take maths and English tests ....... presupposes the guys (a) can speak intelligible english in the first place and (b) that they are even basically numerate :-)


lol , Osbourne wouldn't pass either ... speaks bolloxs and gives accountants a good name with the way he manipulates numbers.

MaxK - 21 Jan 2014 08:26 - 35660 of 81564

MaxK - 21 Jan 2014 09:01 - 35661 of 81564

cynic - 21 Jan 2014 11:39 - 35662 of 81564

i don't rate DC highly, but clearly EM is no better

a comment from today's FT say plenty about EM and his innate feebleness ....

Miliband shuns public sector reform
The Labour leader’s case for more competition in markets just happens to stop at the boundaries of the state, and nobody can say why

Haystack - 21 Jan 2014 11:42 - 35663 of 81564

Public sector union pressure on Milibland.

cynic - 21 Jan 2014 11:45 - 35664 of 81564

surely not?
surely this fine and strong wannabe PM has enough spine to stand up to union threats?

Haystack - 21 Jan 2014 12:29 - 35665 of 81564

Of course, I had forgotten how tough Milibland is.

Fred1new - 21 Jan 2014 14:46 - 35666 of 81564

I would think the are less strings attached to EM than the creeping puppeteers tax exiles have on Wavey Dave from the Cayman Isles and the likes.

Sometimes, I think the polls suggesting DC ratings must have been done in the back rooms of the torrid party's clubs.

To me, it appears that Wavey Dave is prepared to bend over back wards and reverse up one way streets, or around any U-bend to cling desperately to power.

Must have had the pattern implanted at his old school.

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Mention Cameron's name and notice the groans produced.

Even amongst the Blue rinsed brigade.


Haystack - 21 Jan 2014 14:52 - 35667 of 81564

Even before he was elected by block votes over his brother during the Labour leadership contest, Ed Miliband had been a prospective leader with unbreakable ties to the trade unions, especially Unite.

It has been estimated that around 70 per cent of Labour candidates for the 2015 election have links to the trade unions. At least 27 of those are affiliated to the Unite Union through membership, sponsorship or some form of employment.

What will worry the British people is the prospect of a union-puppet like Ed Miliband becoming Prime Minister. The Unions decide his policy, they pick his candidates and they are the biggest donor to the Labour party. The thought of the unions controlling Britain is a worrying one indeed.

Haystack - 21 Jan 2014 15:21 - 35668 of 81564

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25823217

IMF raises UK economic growth forecast

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) has raised sharply its growth forecast for the UK economy.

It now expects the economy to grow 2.4% this year - faster than any other major European economy - against its previous forecast of 1.9%. In 2015, it expects growth of 2.2%.

The Treasury said the new UK forecast was further evidence that the government's economic plan was working.

Fred1new - 21 Jan 2014 15:22 - 35669 of 81564

I see no reason why the Labour party should not have connections to the Unions who represent a large number of working, middle classes and "professional" classes (BMA for example.

The labour party was spawned from unionism, to deny the body which gave life to them, strikes me as similar to trying to deny your own parenthood, but wanting the benefits from such.

If the members of a union are dissatisfied with the continuing "ties" then they can leave the unions concerned or amend the rules of those bodies.

Personally, I think the unions has a right to represent the group they serve in any appropriate and legal way they consider beneficial to the group.

The same would apply to any representative "body" of a group.
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Personally, I would prefer the relationships to be open to public scrutiny and I would like full examinations of the tax arrangements of those donating funds to the torrid party.

Also, what the groups donating to the Nasty Party expect in return.

I am sure it doesn't stop at a Xmas card or a tap on the shoulder.

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Perhaps, examination of such relationships and favours from Murdoch and Rebecca could also be considered.

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Ps.

How much do the Hazy one and Manuel donate to the torrid party or the party of their choice and what do they expect for it?

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