for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

http://www.kbcpeelhunt.com/pdfs/Stanelco22Apr05.pdf


Company broker is KBC Peel - they have to be as accurate as possible - however will always have a positive spin - there are many dog shares around that have buy ratings by brokers. I would not call the KBC Peel report conservative - I would call it quite positive - but covering their bases - if the price drops to 10p then they have covered that with conservative sentances in it.

Its still quite dangerous at this price with Asda and Walmart already factored in the price - if they come in then it will stabilise - if one of them does not come in soon the price is going to retrace back down. Thats the gamble you take - IMO you are at a top which includes Asda and Walmart - therefore any news is not going to make it go up that much - but there is one hell of a downside possible.

This is a price with around 1000 machine conversion orders in it - and presently no orders are there and trials still delayed.


Mention of meetings with people does nothing for me - it needs big orders - like 300 in the first hit and news on trials - it cannot last on just spin forever or a measly order for 30 or so.

I did post that there would be no news on trials in April weeks ago - most did not believe me - but now know it is true.

Its also being thrown around that if there was bad news it would be announced - - this is not strictly true - as I pointed out at the time the RNS was extremely spinny - it simply stated "the contract with Asda would come into effect on the first Monday after the 3 extra trials were successfully complete, which is hoped to be April"

They did not state exactly when, and even a delay to December would not be in contradiction to the RNS - its so open ended a delay to April 2008 would not contradict it - "hoped in April" means nothing - and its May now.

I would not expect any REAL news until either the trials are complete and the Asda contract comes into effect - OR - its all abandoned and the trials failed.

Thats fair comment I think.

And even if it should come into effect - the next important thing is how many machines - hopefully for SEO holders nothing tiny like 30 or 40.

Directors at the AGM were predicting that it was likely an order from a supplier would occur before the completion of the trials which might then render the further Asda trials unnecessary as the '12 month exclusivity clock ' would be ticking.Monday may see a few shorters 'deshirted' in my view.

there has been no delays on trials. if you ring the ceo he will tell you that trials have all been completed and two supplier factories have been retro fitted already and third in progress. Tests with wal-mart continuing as planned.

Our Basher has been on again (boring) he keeps ranting on about Peel Hunt, well this is from Peel Hunt and it all looks fine to me in fact its temping me to top up yet again.

Here is a few more products from SEO that isnt mentioned below.
RF sealing, PVA trays and film, FrogPack, CradleWrap, Solutape and Labels, biodegradable air pillows, foamed starch containers, edible sachets, and a few more in the pipeline

Sorry its a bit long but it rolls over the Bashers comment.

Peel Hunt:
Momentum continues to be positive. The announcements over the last two months justify the move in the share price and give a taste of the longer term potential for the group. The tie up with Asda is clearly positive news and trials with the packaging houses should be completed over the coming couple of weeks, this will be followed by firm contracts. The real excitement is the potential to secure Asdas parent (Wal-Mart) as a customer. Whilst this will take longer (hopefully months not years) it is important to note that the deals with Premier Technology and Advanced Energy in the US provide an infrastructure in the US to support a rapid roll out of Stanelcos technology. Elsewhere, the groups other products including Frogpack and Cradlewrap continue to gain increasing interest. The shares are supported by the news flow and the outlook remains exciting.
Recent and forthcoming news flow.

24 Mar-05 Following successful trials, Asda entered into an agreement with Stanelco at the end of March on a 12 month exclusive agreement for their GREENSEAL tray lidding and thermoforming RF technology. The contract is expected to lead tothe conversion of several hundred machines and revenue streams
in excess of 5m in the first year. The exit rate of the licence income stream at the end of the period will similarly be around 5m. 7 & 11 Apr-05 Under the agreement with Premier Technology and Advanced Energy, the group has the structure in place to roll-out their RF technology, multi region, in both the retrofit and new capital market. This is fundamentally important, as prior to these agreements, there was a ceiling on the number of machines thegroup was able to retrofit in any year.

22 April AGM statement
Expected Shortly Confirmed contracts with the packaging houses for the conversion to RF technology. This will provide increased visibility of the income stream from the Asda contract.

ssanebs, is that what you did and is that what you were told? if so , why haven't seo announced this?

ssanebs: if you were told something at a meeting that has not generally been released,then it would appear to be in order to seek clarification in writing. Regarding the ASDA supplier trials the information released was: "The 12-month agreement will commence from the first Monday following two weeks of further successful trials with three ASDA suppliers. This is expected to be in April. These commercial trials are in addition to the completed trial announced on 1 March." The release also advised that a formal agreement with ASDA had been signed. ASDA effectively extended the 12-month period by putting in a first step which was the trials with the three suppliers as "the underlying access agreement to adopt the technology will be between Stanelco and each of ASDA's packaged food suppliers.." This statement re the start of the 12-month period of exclusivity was amplified in the AGM Statement as being triggered "at the earlier of the completion of three further trials with ASDA suppliers or the signing of the first commercial order. The first of these trials nears completion at Youngs Bluecrest...". You are now stating that "two supplier factories have been retro-fitted and a third is in progress". These are clearly the three suppliers for which further trials were to be conducted. The exclusivity period is to be triggered by the completion fo the third trial or the first firm commercial order. KPC Peel Hunt put asd "Expected Shortly (on 22nd April) - Confirmed contracts with the packaging houses for the conversion to RF technology. This will provide increased visibility of the income stream from the ASDA contract."

Comments were reported about the opening of a US office and the presence of Howard White in the US to further negotiations with Wal-Mart. You say that tests with Walmart are "continuing as planned". KBC Peel Hunt treat the ASDA agreement as a done deal, their statement is more guarded re Wal-Mart. OK, it is understandable that conversations are held off the record, but what is the point of an AGM Statement if additional news is provided in conversations; it should fill in detail perhaps but not take the announcement further. It would be helpful if you sought clarification which would help to ensure that everyone was on a level playing field with regard to important commercial information.

Most contributors have, I believe, squelched insiderinside. This is understandable because his posts put a thoroughly negative Campell-like spin on whatever he comments on. I wouldn't waste time in seeking to respond to him but make the following comments for occasional visitors who migh be prepared to take his comments at face value:

(1) Restating what I have said above, "Stanelco... has signed a binding contract with ASDA for a 12-month exclusive agreement for the application .. of GREENSEAL tray lidding ...technology in the UK and Ireland." ASDA anticipates that several hundred machines will be adapted to utilise the technology due to the significant benefits it delivers."

(2) "It is expected that, according to plan, this agreement will generate a revenue stream for Stanelco significantly inexcess of 5m in the first year alone." From figures given by KBC Peel Hunt and Evolution this implies a minimum of 200 machines in year one at the quoted price of 25K.

(3) KBC Peel Hunt state that "The ASDA deal is anticipated to result in several hundred conversions and in our numbers we have assumed the following roll-out and other orders": 2005:72; 2006:355; 2007:600. "...the group needs to have 1000 licences to justify the present market cap. - ignoring all the other parts of the group. This equates to 2% of the world market and only 3x the ASDA contract." This is not a demanding target for UK and Ireland given the 'me to' pressure on other supermarkets following the period of exclusivity. The clear conclusion is that the Wal-Mart deal is not factored into the current sp.

I am not prepared to enter into a dialogue with II as I see him as an avid deramper and 'economical with the truth'. I am happy, of course, to enlarge on the above observations for other visitors who are questing for the truth.

Eric

EW

Thanks for putting all the important stuff in a clear concise way.Your info strengthens my belief that I should be thinking long-term with this share.
ii is either mentally deranged or very short. Either way he needs help!

http://www.olswang.com/news.asp?page=newssing&sid=127&aid=921

Court's discretion to admit fresh evidence was not exercised 2 March 2005

Stanelco Fibre Optics Ltd v Bioprogress Technology, Court of Appeal, 9 December 2004, Lawtel

Stephen Reese writes

The claimant's application to admit fresh evidence following the respondent's counterclaim for breach of confidence was not successful in this instance. The test for determining whether to admit new evidence as set in Ladd v Marshall was not fulfilled when applied to these facts.


There seems to be a lot of misinformation about the case - hope this link above to the full article will clear things up.

Balanced Quality post Eric, thanks on behalf of SEO.

A recent IHT gift.

Highly sucessful completed further trials.

Many new products proceeding through the stages to full commercialisation.

Permission to appeal and lodged.

Prior art.

I know we have much to await, 99% of it being good.

Good quality PR is a bonus (keep it up Howard/Ian), but only when the product(s) are market leading and revolutionary, ans SEO's are!

One thing that could seriously effect Stanelco is the introduction of laser sealing - read the link below from April 2005.

http://www.foodproductiondaily.com/news/news-ng.asp?n=59398-laser-sealing-could

This new laser sealing from Packaging Automation can be used on ambient temperature AND chilled oven ready meals amongst others. As the news came in April does it have any bearing on the Asda delays ? Laser is super flexible and new technology and with so many benefits.

You're trying really hard aren't you?!

Well done lad!

garyble,,most on this thread have squelched this sad person,,you should do the same..JB..

Far be it for me to put a dampener on the achievements of SEO of which I am a modest shareholder, and thus have every wish for its success, but I think there is no harm in knowing what the opposition has up its sleeve. The link below to READY MEALS info gives a good idea of what laser sealing is all about.
http://www.readymealsinfo.com/showcase/results.asp?txtContent=7430

garyble - my purpose is to post important links for people to do their own research - this latest news on Laser sealing can explain many things - the reason for the rush for US engineers when no orders for example - SEO would have known about the Laser success in March - it also explains the AGM comment of "standing still and losing" - it is of great importance for an SEO holder to research the potential of this new system - why buy a car for gas saving now that does 100 miles per gallon if you can wait a few months and get one that does 200 mpg and faster and more flexible.

The ramp crew will encourage you to squelch me - of course - they will not squelch me as you should never squelch anyone - any post from whoever may contain vital information.

Nobody else recently has posted factual new news on things that could effect SEO - I have - and they say squelch me - never mind - I just hope that people will do their own research and have available to them all the information - positive and negative.

wtf?

Ashley
Its strange that Packaging Automation Ltd new rolutionary New Laser Sealing has been tested for the past three years and not one of their 22 machines have it fitted they all have the heat seal method, may be its because they cannot retro fit it, and that they have to make new machines at extra cost.
SEO did say that they would see off any opposition with lower cost.

Thanks Ashley for the info and driver for the comment. Worth knowing what's out there to help form our own evaluation of SEO's claims. We should continue to monitor the laser sealing option.

SD

II & Ashley,

Well done sirs....keep up the sterling work!

Maybe a case of VHS/Betamax!!! Maybe not!!!

I feel the time is very near, and nothing to the contrary seems to offer as much potential.

Please keep up the alternative research and keep us posted.

I noticed that Stanelco made a posting - is this the real stanelco - or just someone posting as stanelco?.

If the real Stanelco - then welcome aboard - and its great that you are watching what is happening on the outside. You will also recognise that Bosley, Eric & GF are probably better than your own marketing team - and maybe you should offer them a role!! If not - then you are confusing me (I know -easily done!!)

Baza