Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

A bit of light relief.

'Hitler is told the UK have voted to Brexit the EU'

youtube. com/watch?v=m_SKe1YT5kO

Jeremy Corbyn's Labour Party is a cult. Even losing his shadow cabinet won't shake the faith of his disciples

If you want to know how badly and madly the Labour Party has gone wrong, consider this: the departure of shadow cabinet ministers such as Hilary Benn and Heidi Alexander (and more will surely follow) may well not be fatal to Jeremy Corbyn's leadership.

In other parties, in other times, losing the confidence of all but a handful of your parliamentary colleagues would end a leadership in days, or even hours. But Mr Corbyn is not a normal leader and he has made Labour into something far from a normal party.

Simply, parliamentary support is irrelevant to Mr Corbyn, just as devising a credible programme of government is irrelevant. He's not interested in leading a party that could govern. He wants Labour to become a protest movement, and he's already gone quite far towards achieving that goal.

Mr Corbyn remade Labour by bringing in tens of thousands of new members – possibly more than half the party had joined because of him since last summer. They are his constituency, the people he cares about. The millions of voters who do not belong to Labour, the millions whose votes are needed to put the party back in government are wholly irrelevant.

People like Mr Benn may worry about labour being unelectable under Mr Corbyn but they miss the point: Mr Corbyn has won the election he cares about, the one that made him leader.

It's quite likely that the membership will agree. As MPs try to oust him, Mr Corbyn will appeal to those members to protect and preserve his leadership. They'll probably do it, too. That's why the Labour MPs trying to remove him want to keep him off the ballot paper in any Labour leadership election: they know he'd almost certainly win again.

i wonder if fred actually knows what a sycophant is?

anyway, good to know fred is a man of principle - can vote but won't as a matter of same
what sort of a tosspot does that make him?

It is a crazy elephant surely.

I like the diversionary tactics of the tory party media outlets are diverting attention from their own fractious actions when being responsible for plunging the UK economics chaos.

A failed PM of a con artists' party manipulated as a puppet from the Cayman Isles and Panama.

A party which has been responsible for fragmenting the UK society into them and us, or those who have and the have-nots.

Destroyers, not builders, looking for a quick buck.

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Regard this madness.

View from Wales: town showered with EU cash votes to leave EU
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale


It is madness!

More Labour MP's jumping ship..Lucy Powell, Ann Coffey, Lillian Greenwood,
Vernon Coaker, Gloria De Piero, Seema Malhotra, Etc, Etc, Etc...

There should now be just two parties representing the voters after the
referendum...Says Peter Hitchens in the Mail on Sunday.

Those that want to be in the EU and those that don't...

Quite true, because there is at least 80% of MP's who want to remain in
the EU, so they can not represent those who wish to LEAVE...

Angela and Maria Eagle, Chris Bryant, Vernon Coaker, Charlie Falconer still expected to resign.

Labour plotters' goal to force Corbyn to resign by making life difficult as possible - effectively going on strike, no support in PMQs etc

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36633238

Corbyn office 'sabotaged' EU Remain campaign - sources

And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn's office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of "deliberate sabotage".
One email from the leader's office suggests that Mr Corbyn's director of strategy and communications, Seumas Milne, was behind Mr Corbyn's reluctance to take a prominent role in Labour's campaign to keep the UK in the EU. One email, discussing one of the leader's speeches, said it was because of the "hand of Seumas. If he can't kill it, he will water it down so much to hope nobody notices it".
A series of messages dating back to December seen by the BBC shows correspondence between the party leader's office, the Labour Remain campaign and Labour HQ, discussing the European campaign. It shows how a sentence talking about immigration was removed on one occasion and how Mr Milne refused to sign off a letter signed by 200 MPs after it had already been approved.
The documents show concern in Labour HQ and the Labour Remain campaign about Mr Corbyn's commitment to the campaign - one email says: "What is going on here?" Another email from Labour Remain sources to the leader's office complains "there is no EU content here - we agreed to have Europe content in it". Sources say they show the leader's office was reluctant to give full support to the EU campaign and how difficult it was to get Mr Corbyn to take a prominent role.

Sounds like the tory party to me.

Ditch the Cameron. It was all his fault!

BS.

The Con party needs a hard mad like Nigel to take over.


Forgot, he already has done!

Lord Falconer, shadow Justice Secretary has gone. Ten down now.

Tom Watson, Corbyn's deputy declines to endorse Corbyn’s leadership.

Bookies offering 2/5 on Cobryn going this year.

they weren't too hot on the referendum result were they!

lol :-)

From the Independent - EU referendum petition: 77,000 fraudulent signatures removed as investigation launches

Bin it, not worth a light. :-))

Apparently, lots of people signing the 'Second Referendum' Petition, aren't even from the UK.

Has it now lost its credibility?