for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

Insiderinside, nobody does nothing for nothing, you have an alterial motive, consider yourself squelched, I am tired of you.

bosley - laser sealing for tray lidding is a brand new development - and its so much better than any other system available or due to be available. The benefits are enormous - the news came mid-April - maybe too late for Asda - but not for others - and perhaps this is the reason behind the Asda delay. One key pointer on the RF thermal sealing was potential downtime (stop-start-stop) and also the downtime in changing over the pack. The standard (not RF) heat sealing for tray lidding providers are fighting back -

Human beings and downtime are always the most costly part of the manufacturing process even material savings in most cases cannot compete in cost savings of labour.

This new 2005 development by Proseal seems to have targeted this and again is something to put into the RF sealing discussion pot.

Heat-sealing solutions supplier Proseal has developed a new method to speed up and simplify tool changes across its range of tray sealers, a move designed to save manufacturers time and money.

Proseal claims that the new Auto Tool connections system is a radical development that delivers a clean and simple connection set-up for every tool set on the machine. Current tool changes require all heater and thermocouple connections to be made manually, a task that is not only time consuming and fiddly but also runs the risk of damaging the connections which are very frail and delicate.
By comparison the Proseal Auto Tool method means new tools can literally be slotted into place in a matter of seconds. This not only minimises downtime between production runs still further, it also creates a much cleaner tool surface and physically protects the electrical connections.
Proseal is confident that the new system offers a further breakthrough in tray sealing technology.
Customers who have seen the Auto Tool system are extremely impressed, said Proseal director Steve Malone. They can immediately appreciate its cost and time saving potential.
Auto Tool is now being fitted to all new build models in the Proseal range. In addition, it can be retrofitted to existing machines.

All very relevent information as it potentially detracts from possiblities for RF sealing of tray lidding - which will take a massive hit IMO with better Laser Sealing.

This thread is becoming a joke you say - why is that - does it now have lots of research and detail on tray lidding - potential - problems - developements - instead of just "SEO going up" "SEO next week blue for sure" kind of posts ??

If you honestly think this has so much potential - why is not every institutional investor in the world filling their boots ? Why is it just private investors ? You know the answer - its gone on up promises - hype - tips - ramp - and not on orders - revenue - profits.

Clicker dee click bos.

, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK

Below is all about Bashers for those that havent seen it curtsy of overgrowth - 17 Apr'05



Apologies for the long post, though I think it's handy to be forewarned of the tactics characters like insiderinside will employ (worth cutting and pasting for future reference) - in addition to annoying or worrying everyone on the moneyam SEO thread, he's been active today on more ADVFN threads than just the SEO one, desperately trying to get people to sell SEO to line his pockets.

"Is the "Bashing" of a stock an essential part of the online investment landscape?

Our Constitution guarantees us free speech and we have always valued the lessons gleaned from dissent. When does dissent cross over that imaginary line and become "Bashing"? To often we find well grounded dissent capriciously labeled as "Bashing" by over zealous investors bent on protecting a stocks reputation at any cost. The "Bashing" that is addressed on this site is quite different from dissent. The Anatomy of a Basher strives to look at the calculated erosion of confidence in a given stock. Erosion by means that are, in every sense, void of truth, hinged on deception and innuendo, and motivated by greed at the expense of others. This compendium is offered to aid in identifying the telltale signs of "Bashing", and hopefully provide a counter balance to this heretofore unchecked manipulation of investors fears for personal gain.

IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK? I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"
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WHO BASHERS PREY UPON
Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.

The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.

You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.

Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!

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Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK. Check the boards for stocks with no potential. They never have any Bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are moving up or have excellent potential to do so. Bashers work to bring the price down to either increase their position at the expense of others or help a Short make their bones.

Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The Basher will post this over and over again. Unsophisticated Bashers will try to freshen up old news with a new date or by-line in an attempt to fool you.

Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. This is best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on the company, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers in direct repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESIST USING THE BASHERS ALIAS!

Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they make mistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issue to a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., trying to lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember each company is unique and while it is prudent to seek out established indicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it. Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so your vision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Not doing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "Pretty Brown Horsey".

BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.

DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!

This is your investment... work for it, protect it and don't panic on the words of very shadowy figure that "has your best interest in their heart". Consider that one factor: Someone you have never met, is not a member of your family, is now, out of the goodness of their hearts - GIVING YOU FREE ADVICE (that you didn't ask for). It's a no brainer. They have motives $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being to lazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board for others opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate and back up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous and unsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are all conditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others by virtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we are subconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0

Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless you have done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).

Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That's when the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!

Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare the newbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to wear down the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.

A BASHER HANDBOOK:
Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!
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Rules for Successful Bashing:

1. Be anonymous

2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.

3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a
support base before initiating your Bashing routine.

4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.

5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.

6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.

7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.

8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to
your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.

9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the
rest of the way.

10. Give the appearance of being open minded.

11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.

12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.

13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.

14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't
know your history.

15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.

16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the
company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.

17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.

18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to
reinforce facts.

19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.

20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.

21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases.
Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.

22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.

23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary
mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.

24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.

25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.

26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.

27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their
focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.

28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to
instead of the one your Bashing.

30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
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Grade 'A' Basher:
If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.

Grade 'B' Basher:
Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.

Grade 'C' Basher:
Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.

Grade 'D' Basher:
Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.

Grade 'F' Basher:
A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.

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LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?

Golden Rule:

IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .

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HOW TO IDENTIFY A BASHER

1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.

2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.

3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..

4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.

5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.

6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.
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The Basher 'Pack' Mentality

Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.

Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.

Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.

Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.

What calls a pack together. The Cry of the Leader. Certain Bashers love to work together. They know each others bite, how to feign in and out, it is a well choreographed Bash when pack members have worked together before. They constantly check their "Sites Du Jour" for signs of Pack activity. Occasionally they will throw out a "Nibbler" Bash to see if the pack responds or if not they can work the site themselves. It's all about effectiveness, time and earning money.

< BEWARE OF THE PACK >"

Now he comes up with this new guy, Charles im taking profits sooner rather than later,,
the problem is some of you are still responding to him,and now he wont go away..JB..

jimmy b, i'm guessing the tit's still around. i was refering to the glut of newbie soundalikes. charleyboy, knock seo all you want, but , like you said "im taking PROFITS sooner rather than later". it would be great if you could take a PROFIT on every investment you make , wouldn't it?

LOL - I love the Basher post - originally was RAMPER - ramping in packs to push the price up on hype and spin - never posting real facts - telling everyone to filter/squelch anyone not ramping - telling everyone new info was in fact old news - makes no difference this news - keep on holding (while I sell) - never mind - I am sure anyone can read back on who is posting facts and news - and who is posting nothing but "its going up" "when this is a pound I will retire" kind of posts :-)

Bit of a very long read - but interesting bits in it - a good general overview of the packaging industry as a whole (all types of packing) in the UK.

http://www.packagingfedn.co.uk/news/Fed_arch/mainreport.pdf

Good post driver, its reassuring to post such info for so called 'newbies' Ive no doubt people have been idle and maybe sold out positions due to underhand tactics employed.

Patience will see the asda deal prevail which should put alot of tentative investors at ease. The best thing to be done is repost the above info every week without any personal engagement to somebody who finds time at 1.30am on Sunday Morning to give people 'free advice'

To get onto the topics at hand, any feelings on what this week will bring?

Not sure ,i do know that this held up well over the last few weeks when most of my holdings took a knock, so if there is any news im expecting a rise in the sp..JB..

Ive closed a number of my 'blue skiers' at the minute wish i'd cash them out about a month ago. Im gonna purchase some more stock this week in SEO depending on how the market is going. I thought they might have ticked up a little on friday after shares rated them a sound investment to go against the grain this summer

bb, i can't seo doing anything next week unless we get an rns or the borson brigade get into action. otherwise i think it's going to be more of the same. frustrating, i know, but there hasn't been any new news since the agreement with advanced energy, apart from confirmation of the rumours that seo will be in america pitching to walmart. seo is a share that is driven by news and when there is none, there's not much we can do, apart from have a chat amongst ourselves.

bosley,i wonder if next week will be much the same across all the small caps..JB..

This thread is increasingly becoming tiresome. Laser sealing , for those who want to check it out, costs much much more than RF sealing. That is the reason no one is bothering to trial it against the RF process. Ask anyone in packaging and they will confirm this.

jimmy, if i knew what was going to happen next week , i wouldn't be looking forward to going to work so much!!!:) sharesure,can't say i disagree with you.

bos
I'm not looking forward to going to work, I went today.

Thought there might have been news when saw how many unread posts but its only the irritating twat ii again, havn't read your posts mate as you are talking bollocks. Must be cluckin irritating for you waiting for this to crash cos each time it falls it bounces straight back like a kangaroo on a spacehopper becuase there are too many folk just waiting to snap up cheap shares in SEO.
Key point, Asda's own personnel have posted an RNS re: RF sealing for meat and the countless other possibilities that are emerging for other packaging concepts. Thats from the horses mouth folks, not the horses arse called insiderx2.Also been holding since 4p and adding like Bos and others. Nothing to change my mind that this is still is the best growth stock around right now.

I don't hold most of mine long term but this is one i'm tucking away,,i like the postings on here,and im sure if there is anything negetive it will be discussed,,but i say again don't mention this pr.ck or he's here to stay.JB.

So II is promoting Packaging Automation. They certainly need promoting as there is no news article for the last 3 months on their site! But hey, what's this, three articles on packtalk and all in the last 10 months! Invited to discussion group with Dept of Environment; a user application story; conversion to handle liquids. lol! rofl! Glad we have some entertainment on this channel!

The other really funny thing was Charles1952. pth knows these things and he is quite clearly the same guy - just look at the phraseology and formatting. he knows nobody takes any serious notice of him so he talks to himself. First step to madness, they say! But we now know more about him - christian name Charles and 53 years old.

Moving on to serious matters. Whither the sp this week? At least evens chance of an RNS on a deal with the first ASDA supplier. The situation appears to be that two of the three ASDA supplier trials have been completed - the question is therefore whether the 12 month exclusivity deal starts from the completion of the third trial or from the first firm order from a supplier. My bet would be on the latter. Mind, I have spent my life being a 'marginal failure': never getting anything absolutely right! For instance, forecast the labour majority as 64 and it came out at 66 - blast those 19 Crawley voters who voted the wrong way!

Eric

RF sealing has been around since 1945 see the link below -

http://www.devicelink.com/mddi/archive/99/12/003.html

As you can read from the article at that time CPET could not be RF sealed - which is where SEO have found a way - my concern is over its quality control acceptance capability and has the change from from material spec changes ?

We must not forget that RF sealing has been around for years SEO is using it for the first time for tray lidding. The packing industry appears to be moving on in the clamshell and blister pack arena to UV sealants.


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The Simpl-Seal II PET Clamshells + Card&Blister UV Sealing system is designed to immediately increase your productivity and simplify the entire PET, RPET, PLA or PVC Clamshell sealing process and now also the Card & Blister Sealing process. WHEN COMPARED TO OUTDATED AND EXPENSIVE RF, Sonic or Heat sealing machinery, the technologically advanced and patented* Simpl-Seal II UV system is the most efficient and cost effective sealing method available on the market today.
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- SIMPL-COATER II - Stand alone State-of-the-Art adhesive coating system applies exact amount of Simpl-Sealant to blisters and packages saving time,eliminating waste and increasing throughput for the contract package line.


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http://www.dymax.com/products/plastic/packaging.asp

Another point of the post from above is that it appears that to get the best results from RF sealing special films are required that suit RF sealing this would no doubt raise cost.
An APET film needs to have consistent RF sealability characteristics across a broad range of RF sealing equipment when used on RF sealing equipment is this one of the technical difficulties being found in the trials if trying to use RF sealing on standard APET and CPET ?


All pointers to the limited potential nowadays of RF sealing in other areas its a has been in quite a few industries which limits the rampability of posting figures on other industries (some people love to go off on a tangent and state RF sealing is new and going to take over the world of packing) . We should therefore not think RF sealing is new or think that its not supplied by many many companies we should remember that Stanelco is using it as a speciality for tray lidding on CPET microwavable trays so far an into that fray walks Mr Laser sealing Mid April 2005 and a fightback by the traditional heat sealers. UV cure sealants where does that lead us more food for thought on any potential expansion by SEO out of the tray lidding applications with old technology RF sealing.

For more information on UV Cure Sealents and indeed new EB cure sealants have a read good background info

http://www.rohmhaas.com/AdhesivesSealants/pdf/power@work_Winter2002.pdf

eric, i think jimmyb has the right idea. andys , nice to see you're still alive. driver, whaddya want, sympathy???????
morning has broken!