Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Nigel Evans, Conservative MP and a Leave campaigner has said immigration will not fall significantly as a result of Brexit, saying the referendum results only means 'control' not a fall in numbers. He said that there appears to be some misunderstanding about the consequences of Brexit. When asked if migration to the UK would fall significantly now the country was leaving te EU, Mr Evans answered: "No." He said: "Under the new Australian points system we will be able to control immigration."According to N figures, immigration per head is much higher in Australia than in the UK.

one of your typically stupid comments fred


btw, it's the ECB Forum on Central Banking in Sintra, and it looks like they hold it there every year ...... how cosy for them; the greeks must appreciate it

Under the Australian points system, you have to have something they want.

ie, skills or money or both. Not much room for car washers and benefit seekers.

How many loyal Corbyn MPs does it take to change a light bulb?

Both of them.

Hands up if you want to be in the Shadow Cabinet

Mummy, we had Worzel Gummidge visit school today.

This country IS fucked, we can't even beat Iceland, WELL DONE ICELAND, YOU didn't have an opposition, To many foreign players in the 'Premier League'

THIS COUNTRY IS GOING DOWN THE PAN!!..

If this country dosn't STOP immigration..NOW this country will never recover.

The Mirror is Corbyn's biggest supporter, or was.

I hope the Police find the lowlife responsible for the disgusting intimidation of decent families, just because they are from Poland. Many Poles died fighting alongside our airmen in WW2 and in any case we are better than that. Makes me want to vomit.

It was prolly a remainer anyway, it's too obvious for anyone but the terminally stupid.

I've nothing personal against any individual Polish or whoever, but when
you have millions coming into the country, and the Premier league being taken
over by foreign players, and having to watch another disgusting performance
by so called premier league footballer's, who have no ability or passion, then
there is something seriously wrong with the set-up and the country as an whole.

As to 'We should be thankful that the Poles came to our rescue in the second
world' is just another belittler to the British...

There was millions in Poland who just gave up, but you always get some
who wish to try and get their country back, they were the ones that came here
NOT to save us but to get their country back..After all it was a world war..

What about that, some think there is a chance of " The EU rolled ever onwards " and we have a second vote and remain after all

10 HOURS AGO by: Gideon Rachman at the FT.com
I do not believe that Brexit will happen
There will be howls of rage, but why should extremists on both sides dictate how the story ends?

All good dramas involve the suspension of disbelief. So it was with Brexit. I went to bed at 4am on Friday depressed that Britain had voted to leave the EU. The following day my gloom only deepened. But then, belatedly, I realised that I have seen this film before. I know how it ends. And it does not end with the UK leaving Europe.

Any long-term observer of the EU should be familiar with the shock referendum result. In 1992 the Danes voted to reject the Maastricht treaty. The Irish voted to reject both the Nice treaty in 2001 and the Lisbon treaty in 2008.

And what happened in each case? The EU rolled ever onwards. The Danes and the Irish were granted some concessions by their EU partners. They staged a second referendum. And the second time around they voted to accept the treaty. So why, knowing this history, should anyone believe that Britain’s referendum decision is definitive?

It is true that the British case has some novel elements. The UK has voted to leave the EU altogether. It is also a bigger economy than Ireland or Denmark, which changes the psychology of the relationship. And it is certainly true that the main actors in the drama seem to think it is for real. David Cameron, the UK prime minister, announced his resignation following the vote; and Jonathan Hill, Britain’s EU commissioner for financial services, has followed suit.

Yet there are already signs that Britain might be heading towards a second referendum rather than the door marked exit. Boris Johnson, a leader of the Leave campaign and Britain’s probable next prime minister, hinted at his real thinking back in February, when he said: “There is only one way to get the change we need — and that is to vote to go; because all EU history shows that they only really listen to a population when it says No.”

Having been a journalist in Brussels at the time of the Danish referendum on Maastricht, Mr Johnson is very familiar with the history of second referendums. It is also well known that he was never a diehard Leaver, and hesitated until the last moment before deciding which side to back.

His main goal was almost certainly to become prime minister; campaigning to leave the EU was merely the means to that end. Once Mr Johnson has entered 10 Downing Street, he can reverse his position on the EU.

But would our European partners really be willing to play along? Quite possibly. You could see that in the talk by Wolfgang Schäuble’s finance ministry in Germany of negotiating an “associate” membership status for Britain. In reality, the UK already enjoys a form of associate membership since it is not a participant in the EU’s single currency or the Schengen passport-free zone. Negotiating some further ways in which the country could distance itself from the hard core of the bloc, while keeping its access to the single market, would merely elaborate on a model that already exists.

Brexit: Rachman on geopolitical impactPlay video
And what kind of new concession should be offered? That is easy. What Mr Johnson would need to win a second referendum is an emergency brake on free movement of people, allowing the UK to limit the number of EU nationals moving to Britain if it has surged beyond a certain level.

In retrospect, it was a big mistake on the part of the EU not to give Mr Cameron exactly this concession in his renegotiation of the UK’s terms of membership early this year. It was the prime minister’s inability to promise that Britain could set an upper limit on immigration that probably ultimately lost him the vote.

Even so, with 48 per cent of voters opting to stay in the union, the result was extremely close. If the Remain campaign could fight a second referendum with a proper answer to the question of immigration it should be able to win fairly easily.

But why should Europe grant Britain any such a concession on free movement? Because, despite all the current irritations, the British are valuable members of the EU. The UK is a big contributor to the budget and it is a serious military and diplomatic power.

Just as it will be painful for the UK to lose access to the EU’s internal market, so it will be painful for the EU to lose access to the British labour market. More than 3m EU nationals live and work in Britain, with more than 800,000 from Poland alone.

Agreeing to an emergency brake on free movement of people might mean some modest limits to future migration. But that would surely be better than the much harsher restrictions that could follow a complete British withdrawal from the EU.

Of course, there would be howls of anger on both sides of the Channel if any such deal is struck. The diehard Leavers in Britain would cry betrayal, while the diehard federalists in the European Parliament — who want to punish the UK and press on with “political union” in Europe — will also resist any new offer.

But there is no reason to let the extremists on both sides of the debate dictate how this story has to end. There is a moderate middle in both Britain and Europe that should be capable of finding a deal that keeps the UK inside the EU.

Like all good dramas, the Brexit story has been shocking, dramatic and upsetting. But its ending is not yet written.

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It is now the general consensus that we are to weak and feeble to stand
on our own two feet.

Yes that is now correct, this country has being feminised to the extent
that we are looked on as a soft touch...

The scum channel BBC are still in pro-eu brainwashing mode...

The sooner that house of anti English/British vipers is shut down or
privatised the better...

Don't the population realise that they're paying for the privilege of
being brainwashed...

That certainly is the view of a moderate.

Especially the night after being knocked over by a snowball.

The Ghost will arise.

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The FTSE is blue today. The doom mongers will not be pleased. It's not supposed to be this way.

Osbourne says a Remain supporter could lead Cons , please no stitch up , this is the sort of thing we didn't want surely .

Ozzy can say what he wants, no ones listening.