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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 23 Dec 2010 18:54 - 3874 of 6906

Just realistic. You can't expect only one side to be armed in a conflict. Israel just gets its own way by force of arms. That is a very short term strategy. The agression that Israel show strengthens Hamas and the will of the Palestinians.

Haystack - 24 Dec 2010 17:39 - 3875 of 6906

Israeli O/occupation Forces troops assaulted a group of Spanish tourists on Thursday afternoon as they tried to enter the southern West Bank city of Bethlehem through its northern entrance to participate in the Christmas festivities.

Local sources said that IOF troops manning the roadblock at the northern entrance of the city near Rahils dome assaulted the group with truncheons injuring a number of them.

The group was surprised at the treatment meted to them and said that they had a taste of what it was like for Palestinians crossing roadblocks.

Haystack - 24 Dec 2010 17:53 - 3876 of 6906

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12069482

The UN relief agency UNRWA has condemned Israel's demolition of homes in East Jerusalem, up 45% this year.

It said 396 buildings were razed in 2010, compared with 275 last year, in occupied East Jerusalem and other West Bank areas under Israeli control.

As a result, 561 Palestinians - including 280 children - were displaced, it said

"I call on the Israeli authorities to cease demolitions and evictions in occupied areas which are in contravention of Israel's obligations under international law," UNRWA's West Bank Field Director, Barbara Shenstone, said in a statement.

Ms Shenstone cited the case of the nine-member Subouh family, whose home in the Ras al-Ammoud district of East Jerusalem was destroyed on 21 December.

The family has been living on their property in two tents after the Jerusalem municipality gave them 24 hours to demolish their home, she said.

The family destroyed the house themselves at a cost of 60,000 shekels ($17,000; 11,000), rather than pay the municipality to do so, which costs twice as much, she added.

Out of the 250,000 Palestinians living in East Jerusalem, the UN says, 60,000 are at risk of having their homes demolished by the Israeli authorities.

cynic - 26 Dec 2010 15:39 - 3877 of 6906

3874 - unfortunately, the true aims of hamas and the will of the general palestinian are far from aligned

Haystack - 26 Dec 2010 16:57 - 3878 of 6906

I think they are very much aligned. That's not true with Hezbollah though. Hamas want a political solution, but it is not acceptable to Israel.

Hamas leaders have indicated they'd accept a truce with Israel and the establishment of a Palestinian state on part of Palestine if Israel withdraws to its pre-1967 borders and Palestinian voters approve the move in a referendum.

Haystack - 26 Dec 2010 16:58 - 3879 of 6906

Israel has been on alert since early Saturday as it anticipates that a convoy of ships which departed from Syria Sunday could change course from its destination in the port of El Arish in Egypt and head straight for the Gaza Strip in an attempt to break Israel's naval blockade.

Reports received by Tel Aviv imply that Turkish activists who were aboard the Mavi Marmara ship and arrested in wake of the clashes with Israeli forces have joined the naval vessel that will leave Lattakia today, said Israeli daily Yediot Ahranot.

Israeli authorities have been closely monitoring preparations for the ships which are set to sail from the Syrian port of Lattakia to the Gaza Strip or to El Arish, Israeli politicians said.

Activists from India, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Iran are expected to take part on the convoy, the sources added, alleging that the activists are believed to have been equipped with means of combat and inflammatory material in Tehran, where official welcoming ceremonies were held for them.

cynic - 26 Dec 2010 17:03 - 3880 of 6906

more peaceful protesters then who will no doubt be held up as heroes and martyrs if/when they get a good slapping ..... bloody well serves them right, just as it does violent/destructive protesters in london who get whacked by a policeman's truncheon

Haystack - 26 Dec 2010 17:05 - 3881 of 6906

Israel's Deputy Prime Minister Silvan Shalom during a press conference Sunday hinted that Israeli military may spark new aggression against the Gaza Strip.

Shalom said Israel would like to change the course of the current situation in the strip.

Israeli minister Yuval Steinitz has said Israel will sooner or later launch a new offensive on Gaza with its sights on toppling the governing Hamas group.

Haystack - 26 Dec 2010 17:06 - 3882 of 6906

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cynic - 26 Dec 2010 17:13 - 3883 of 6906

he liked it so much he posted it twice

Fred1new - 27 Dec 2010 10:01 - 3884 of 6906

To me, the protesters are drawing attention to what Israel,and Zionist followers and some of the press wish to hide.

From past actions of similar groups of protesters.they would seem to be non-violent, but this provokes primitive advocated violent response.

Perhaps, violence is the only actions which can temporarily sustain Israel's present in-humanitarian government. Eventually the abusive actions will fail as it has failed in other Fascist regimes.

The Fascists call "Germans" the "Master Race". The actions of the Israeli governments suggest that belief has now passed to some Israelis.

At least the "passive" Israelis won't be able to say "we didn't know what was going on".


In The Land of the B - 27 Dec 2010 12:12 - 3885 of 6906

OMG, the raging ranting freddie no brains and hay parrot are so full of hatred they can't even restrain themselves for a few minutes over the season of goodwill with their one sided anti-semitic diatribes.
I can just see them eating their Christmas lunches spewing out venom.
What sad, pathetic creatures.

Haystack - 27 Dec 2010 16:10 - 3886 of 6906



Master race?

This is the previous Chief Rabbii of Israel. He is one of leaders of the Shas party and is part of the coalition governemnt. It is the third largest party. He is very influencial amongst orthodox Israelis.

Israeli Sephardic leader Rabbi Ovadia Yosef in his weekly Saturday night sermon said that non-Jews exist to serve Jews.

"Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel," he said during a public discussion of what kind of work non-Jews are allowed to perform on Shabbat.

"Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat," he said to some laughter.

Yosef, the spiritual leader of the Shas Party and the former chief Sephardi rabbi of Israel, also said that the lives of non-Jews are protected in order to prevent financial loss to Jews.

"With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one's donkey would die, they'd lose their money. This is his servant. That's why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew," said the rabbi, who recently turned 90.

One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.

According to Jewish scriptures, only Jews are considered human and the rest of humanity (Gentile) and animals are created to serve Jews.



cynic - 27 Dec 2010 16:26 - 3887 of 6906

According to Jewish scriptures .... where precisely?

Haystack - 27 Dec 2010 16:33 - 3888 of 6906

"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."
Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

An Israeli soldier saying the same thing






cynic - 27 Dec 2010 17:03 - 3889 of 6906

being a non-practicing jew, i could well be wrong, but by my reckoning, the jewish scriptures are primarily the pentateuch, whereas the talmud is a collection of rabbinical discussion notes and comment

if i am correct, and i am reasonably certain i am, then as so often on this thread, you (among others) attempt to pervert the truth by twisting context and similar .... a christmas dose of zyclon-b would be apposite - it's an insecticide incidentally!

In The Land of the B - 27 Dec 2010 17:20 - 3890 of 6906

Hey Goebbels parrot,
And tell us, and when a mad mullah comes out and says such things about all non-Muslims would you use that as a weapon to berate all Muslims, or all Saudis, or all Egyptians or any religious person or nationality?
No, because you are a rabid anti-semite who can only propagate hatred and evil, not tolerance and decency. Hence you take the words of loonies and religious nutters and try to tar everyone else across the political and thinking spectrum with the same brush.
Your ignorance knows no bounds and that post illustrates what I have always said about you, i.e. you are not simply anti- the current Israeli govt (and many disagree with many of its policies - including me) but you are positively and malevolently anti-semitic.
You fool no-one.
But do show what a fool you are.

Haystack - 27 Dec 2010 17:38 - 3891 of 6906

cynic
The orthodox Rabbis quote from the Talmud and say that it has the force of law. Many also claim they the Talnud superecedes the Old Testament and has more force. The comments from the Rabbi mentioned above come from the Talmud and he gives guidance on how Israelis should treat Palestinians.

The problem does not come from ordinary Israelis and Jews. It is their leaders who are the problem. Many Israelis complain bitterly when Rabbis says these sort of things. But their complaints mean nothing as the Israeli government is held to ransom by the religious factions within the coalition. The direction that the coalition is takling Israel is leading to disaster. As much as I dislike left-wing governments, It is really the only sensible solution for Israel.

When the current peace process stops there is going to be so much trouble from both sides in this conflict. There will be a major power vacuum amonst the Palestinians as the PA will have lost support and the right wing of Israel will become more agressive. There are all the ingredients for a major conflict again. The other Arab nations are gradually lining up against Israel when in recent years they have been on the sidelines.

cynic - 27 Dec 2010 17:49 - 3892 of 6906

really can't be arsed to wade through your reams of twaddle, but clearly you have backed away from continuing to assert that what some rabid rabbi at some time in history has had posted in the talmud is indeed jewish scripture, much as you might like it to be so.

next you'll be telling us that whatever hitler said, being a christian, has a bearing on the christian scriptures or even that the subjugation of women and the vitriol spewed out by hezbollah, hamas and other islamic extremists is part of the koran - the islamic scriptures, if you recollect

Haystack - 27 Dec 2010 18:12 - 3893 of 6906

The point is that people involved in the government of Israel are saying these things. even the soldier in the video is saying that the Palestinians are animals and that Israelis are humans. It is really nothing to do with Judaeism or that Israelis are Jews. There are Arab extremists as well who are just as bad as the extremists in the Israeli government. The current sition is that Israel is supressing the Palesinians in vicious ways. They are taking miore and more of their land by settling illegally, they allow the settlers to steal Palestinians homes and crops. All the Palestinians are doing is resisting this process.

The only person who sees this as related to Jews is 'In The Land of the B'. That is apart from some Israelis who try and tie being anti-Israel into being anti-semetic. The two things are unrelated and it is pointless to try and link them.
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