Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

"The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts."
Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b

"Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jews), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God."
Talmud: Bammidber raba c 21 & Jalkut 772

An Israeli soldier saying the same thing

being a non-practicing jew, i could well be wrong, but by my reckoning, the jewish scriptures are primarily the pentateuch, whereas the talmud is a collection of rabbinical discussion notes and comment

if i am correct, and i am reasonably certain i am, then as so often on this thread, you (among others) attempt to pervert the truth by twisting context and similar .... a christmas dose of zyclon-b would be apposite - it's an insecticide incidentally!

Hey Goebbels parrot,
And tell us, and when a mad mullah comes out and says such things about all non-Muslims would you use that as a weapon to berate all Muslims, or all Saudis, or all Egyptians or any religious person or nationality?
No, because you are a rabid anti-semite who can only propagate hatred and evil, not tolerance and decency. Hence you take the words of loonies and religious nutters and try to tar everyone else across the political and thinking spectrum with the same brush.
Your ignorance knows no bounds and that post illustrates what I have always said about you, i.e. you are not simply anti- the current Israeli govt (and many disagree with many of its policies - including me) but you are positively and malevolently anti-semitic.
You fool no-one.
But do show what a fool you are.

cynic
The orthodox Rabbis quote from the Talmud and say that it has the force of law. Many also claim they the Talnud superecedes the Old Testament and has more force. The comments from the Rabbi mentioned above come from the Talmud and he gives guidance on how Israelis should treat Palestinians.

The problem does not come from ordinary Israelis and Jews. It is their leaders who are the problem. Many Israelis complain bitterly when Rabbis says these sort of things. But their complaints mean nothing as the Israeli government is held to ransom by the religious factions within the coalition. The direction that the coalition is takling Israel is leading to disaster. As much as I dislike left-wing governments, It is really the only sensible solution for Israel.

When the current peace process stops there is going to be so much trouble from both sides in this conflict. There will be a major power vacuum amonst the Palestinians as the PA will have lost support and the right wing of Israel will become more agressive. There are all the ingredients for a major conflict again. The other Arab nations are gradually lining up against Israel when in recent years they have been on the sidelines.

really can't be arsed to wade through your reams of twaddle, but clearly you have backed away from continuing to assert that what some rabid rabbi at some time in history has had posted in the talmud is indeed jewish scripture, much as you might like it to be so.

next you'll be telling us that whatever hitler said, being a christian, has a bearing on the christian scriptures or even that the subjugation of women and the vitriol spewed out by hezbollah, hamas and other islamic extremists is part of the koran - the islamic scriptures, if you recollect

The point is that people involved in the government of Israel are saying these things. even the soldier in the video is saying that the Palestinians are animals and that Israelis are humans. It is really nothing to do with Judaeism or that Israelis are Jews. There are Arab extremists as well who are just as bad as the extremists in the Israeli government. The current sition is that Israel is supressing the Palesinians in vicious ways. They are taking miore and more of their land by settling illegally, they allow the settlers to steal Palestinians homes and crops. All the Palestinians are doing is resisting this process.

The only person who sees this as related to Jews is 'In The Land of the B'. That is apart from some Israelis who try and tie being anti-Israel into being anti-semetic. The two things are unrelated and it is pointless to try and link them.

The problem does not come from ordinary Israelis and Jews.
It is their leaders who are the problem.

Many Israelis complain bitterly when Rabbis says these sort of things.

But their complaints mean nothing as the Israeli government is held to ransom by the religious factions within the coalition.

The direction that the coalition is taking Israel is leading to disaster.


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I agree in general with Hays, but, perhaps I am a little more optimistic.

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Also, know little about religion, as, at an early age, I thought they were generally using different and inadequate models of understanding of the same things, and not providing satisfactory explanations, or conclusions. (Probably, a superficial and lazy attitude to beliefs and faiths on my part,)

As an outsider, the problem I see, is that each of the sides in the conflict have leaderships, which are prepared to utilise or distort religion in order to advocate their own particular causes. They are to detach themselves from common reality and prepared to believe what is convenient to further themselves and their own.

It enables them to devalue the rights of others, and provides for them a base, or justification to abuse, or subjugate others. (They others are different and therefore inferior and we are allowed to abuse them.)

It is the extremists of religious cults, who are responsible for inciting the different groups into barbarity, but it seem to me, that even the leaderships of the groups are being manipulated, by those outside the immediate conflict areas.


But, the problem at the end of the day has to be ended by negotiation and I think acceptance of the pre 1967 borders.

The thing which is to me stupid, is the ongoing increase in the numbers of people of all sides, who are being sacrificed by the leaderships.


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HAYSEED
you squirm like a worm ..... you start with a strong assertion, and when that is challenged you decline to address the question(s) raised and go off on another track, and so on and so on .... not a very clever chap are you, seemingly bereft of your own thought and logic, though a neat enough c+p artist it must be said

ended by negotiation - patently so
acceptance of the pre 1967 borders - is starting with a clearly unacceptable precondition which, to my mind, is not of the essence, except to the hawks who don't really want a settlement anyway

it might be a good point to start by saying that hamas/hezbollah have to start by agreeing that israel has a right to exist which, from what i can see, neither will do

for its part, israel should assuredly stop further encroachment (and withdraw some way) and more importantly, should treat the ordinary palestinians like human beings and to agree that they should have at least degree of true autonomy in their own "homeland" ..... almost certainly this should be a portion of the land that israel now holds, regardless of how it was "acquired".

unfortunately, this would not at all suit the ends of the more rabid israeli zealots any more than hezbollah or hamas or the other outside "interferers" such as iran

The assertion is that the leaders of parties in the Israeli coalition claim that Palestinians are animals and they they have religious rights to treat them as such and treat them inany way that they please. It is not important whether they have any religious right to do this, but that they claim it so. This is largely the problem. It is the misinterpretation of religious rules, laws and scriptures that some Islamic leaders are guilty of. The root cause of the current middle Eastern conflict is Zionist expansionism. You only have to look at the map of the region and see how Israel has taken more and more land. It is not about religion at all.

oh fuck a duck ..... that's about as good a response as i can be bothered to make to you ..... yet more distorted crap and nonsense spewing out of your sulphurous maw

Zionists are NOT a religious group.

This definition from wikipedia seems pretty accurate. More than 500,000 Israelis have moved to these expansions of Israel. This expansion of Israel makes a two state solution virtually impossible. All Israel has done is make a bad situation even worse.

An Israeli settlement (Hebrew: התנחלות‎) is a Jewish civilian community on land that was captured by Israel during the Six-Day War and is considered by much of the international community to be occupied territory.[1] Such settlements currently exist in the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.[2]

The International Court of Justice and the international community say these settlements are illegal.

Cynic, Your charm is overwhelming as usual.

Try and have a happy new year.

And the entire population of the continental United States should go back where they came from as they seized all the land of the native American peoples, subjugated and slaughtered the natives and have illegally occupied the land since 1620. Each time the natives attacked and attempted to throw the whites into the sea they lost land. All attacks by native Americans are entirely justified and will continue until the fascistic thieving terroristic invaders are thrown into the sea.
Now if the Israelis had treated the Palestinians the way the invading God fearing pilgrims and many who followed in their footsteps treated the natives the Palestinians would have real cause for complaint.
Of course not everything the Israelis do is right and some things are plain wrong and unjust, but they have always said they would trade land for peace and did so in Sinai and Gaza, withdrawing from those territories.
Personally I think there should be a complete halt to further settlements and we might see some progress in peace talks. Very many Israelis feel the same way, a minority don't. It's a democracy, not a fascist regime, you morons.
The vast majority of Israelis believe in a two state solution, as does the current government.
A large part of the problem is that the religious nutters, although a small minority, have a completely disproportionate influence on government policy because of the "perfect" system of proportional representation in the parliament. No party can govern decisively because they usually hold the balance of power.
That should be a lesson to us in the UK not to introduce PR here lest the Lib Dems forever form part of any viable government as a consequence.
This post and all of mine are not to "debate" with the parrot or freddie no brains etc., as you can't debate with the Goebbels of the world.
My posts are written simply because it is not right to let Nazi anti-semitic propaganda go unchallenged.

Looking at the beginning of most nations, they are conceived and born in pain and violence and some injustice to somebody. Israel and the Palestine-to-be are no exceptions.
And there are good and bad (and everything in between) people in all countries.
The simplistic hate filled propaganda and attempted demonisation and delegitimisation of Israel promulgated by certain unthinking dupes and parrots here is a simple and direct product of Hamas and Hizbollah propaganda.

Once again You talk nonsense. This has been going on in the lifetime of the people involved and is currently STILL going on. There are Palestinians losing their homes to Israel EVERY day. The current Israeli government only pays lip service to a two state solution. Settlement building has started again at twice the previous rate. They intend there to be no land left for the Palestinians.

The latest comments from Israel are that the Palestinians should all be moved to Jordan, the other side of the Jordan river thus giving Israel all the land west of Jordan. This gives them all of Gaza and all of the West Bank. Israel needs to be delegitimised.

Nazi and anti-semetic feelings have NOTHING to do with this conflict. It is about Israel as a country and its behaviour, not its religion that is the problem. It is only you that thinks it is anti-semetic. You are falling for the trick that Israel constantly plays on the world. Every time people criticise Iasrael they shout "anti-semitic". If a Jew criticises Israel then they shout "self hating Jew". This is where the propaganda comes from. Why do you think that Israel being a democracy stops it being fascist? People can vote for what is effectively fascism.

Stopping settlement building won't bring peace. Israel would have to abandon all the settlements that have been built over the years, move back to earlier borders and allow all the million plus refugee Palestinians to move back to their land. Israel won't do that so there will be no peace. In fact quite the opposite. There will be war again and soon.

and as a cheerful wish for all in 2011 .... may the rabid dogs and polemicists who infest this site chew each other to bits and be turned into bonemeal where they will at least do some good for the roses and vegetables

The only rabdi dog here is IOTLOTB. No one else indulges in agressive language. I fear 2011 will be a worse year for the Middle East.

so you think you should be perceived as a promoter of common sense and peace?
hitler liked to promote that image too

Hitler has no bearing on these discussions. Why is he even mentioned? The Israeli government is behaving more like Hitler if you want a comparison. I do want peace in the region. you won't get it until there is somwe justice for the Palestinians. Remind me again why Israel exists or has the right to exist on land taken from other people. The Balfour declaration was not something that the Arabs agreed to. The UN resolutions partitioning palestine was not agreed to by the Arabs (part of that partitioning was that Israel should not then expand).

engage a brain cell if you have one and answer the very simple question asked, and not the one you wish or imagine had been asked - i know you have always found that very difficult, but if you really really concentrate, you may just manage it