Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
Fred1new
- 28 Dec 2010 20:32
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No such word, until you coined it.
Interesting, to me, is that one of the much chanted "mantras" for Israel existing is that, it is "the promised land".
But that is based on history, mythology, or lunacy.
Make your own choice.
cynic
- 28 Dec 2010 20:37
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and your answers to my questions?
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slightly to my surprise, "polemicising" really does exist, even if the yanks insist on a "z" instead of the correct "s"
Fred1new
- 28 Dec 2010 20:42
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I feel that as you are such a clever and knowledgeable chap,you can work on those questions yourself.
Of course, I am sorry to say, you will probably disagree with yourself.
Good night.
cynic
- 28 Dec 2010 20:46
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i do indeed know my own mind, which curiously enough is at almost total variance with what you like to imagine it is
Haystack
- 28 Dec 2010 23:18
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Saudi does not recognise Iasrael and has a boycott of their goods and services. It promised to stop the boycott to gain entry to the World trade Organisation, but never stopped it.
Jordan does have diplomatic ration with Israel since a peace treaty in 1994.
Egypt does recognise Israel. The rest of the Arab League don't recognise Israel.
There are 19 UN member states that do not recognize Israel as a state.
Israel has no diplomatic relations with 36 UN member states, 20 of them members of the 22-member Arab League.
116 states recognise the State of Palestine and 153 have diplomatic relations with Palestine.
It is bizzare to use the mistreatment of American Indians to legitimise Israel. It would be a strange defence to a crime to say that because someone else did something similar and got away with it, it meant that you should be found innocent.
Gausie
- 29 Dec 2010 08:03
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It would indeed be very strange to cite legal precedent as a basis for law.
Oh, wait a sec ..... Isn't that how case law works?
In The Land of the B
- 29 Dec 2010 10:58
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I'm beginning to think of the parrot and freddie no brains as being mechanical and rather simply designed. Whatever the imput, the return message generated bears no resemblance to the imput, a bit like those early computer programmes.
For example:
Q. Why do we celebrate Christmas?
A. It is an Israeli plot to divert attention whilst they kill innocents.
cynic
- 29 Dec 2010 11:06
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no - that's easter!
In The Land of the B
- 29 Dec 2010 11:39
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:)
Fred1new
- 29 Dec 2010 11:43
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Cynic,
My imagination has been able of taking into consideration quite bizarre possibilities.
Your "thinking" might just be within its range.
In The Land of the B
- 29 Dec 2010 11:58
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"My imagination has been able of taking into consideration quite bizarre possibilities"
That's been evident for a very long time LOL
mnamreh
- 29 Dec 2010 12:02
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In The Land of the B
- 29 Dec 2010 12:17
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Thank you sir.
There isn't much to smile about here, sadly, though I do laugh at some of the posts by the two unwitting and witless comedians.
Your post is, I'm sorry to say, unrealistic however laudable.
You are clearly a decent person, one of precious few here, and I respect your sentiments.
The wording of the opening post mitigated against genuine discussion and guaranteed animosity and hostility.
Debate is impossible when outright prejudice and hatred and irrationality is manifest in the posts of fahel, fred and hay.
You cannot discuss with the likes of Goebbels, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot etc.
Let's hope that the Israeli government stops settlement expansion and that is reciprocated by moves on the Palestinian side. Let's also hope that 2011 sees the establishment of a Palestinian state living side by side in peace with Israel.
However, I fear this coming year will bring war on an even more destructive scale with Iranian nuclear development and their supply of ever more sophisticated weaponry to Hizbollah and Hamas.
I would expect and hope Israel will take action to stop Iran from developing and deploying nuclear devices and the means of their delivery. It is a threat to Israel's very existence and they must strike pre-emptively.
I do not want to see anyone, Jew or Arab or Iranian suffer, but I'm afraid, very much afraid, a terrible war will inevitably happen.
Some dupes here will be thrilled.
cynic
- 29 Dec 2010 12:33
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Let's hope that the Israeli government stops settlement expansion and that is reciprocated by moves on the Palestinian side. .... couldn't agree more, especially with the first part ..... israel's continued aggressive expansion is intentionally highly provocative and immediately torpedoes any moves towards peace in the region .... of course, america could, if its gov't had the balls, stop all sorts of massive aid that is poured into israel, without harming israel's ability to defend itself .... that might well concentrate a few minds and at least lend real teeth to the inane political claptrap
mnamreh
- 29 Dec 2010 12:47
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Haystack
- 29 Dec 2010 12:53
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There is no legal precedent for Israel taking Palestinian land. The process is illegal and as such can have no legal precedent.
A study issued by the Israeli public committee against torture and the Palestinian prisoner society revealed that the Shin Bet security apparatus prevents 70 to 90 percent of Palestinian detainees from having access to an attorney.
According to this study that was published by Haaretz newspaper, out of 11,970 Palestinian prisoners the Shin Bet interrogated between 2000 and 2007, the numbers of those who were deprived of seeing lawyers ranged between 8, 379 to 10, 773.
Maya Rosenfeld, the author of the study, stated that during prolonged periods when prisoners are kept from meeting with lawyers, the Shin Bet utilizes interrogation methods that run contrary to international law, Israeli laws and Israeli commitments to avoid such methods.
Among these interrogation methods are tying prisoners for a long time to a chair with their hands behind the back, sleep deprivation, threats usually of harming family members, humiliation and being kept for long periods in unsanitary cells.
cynic
- 29 Dec 2010 13:04
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There is no legal precedent for Israel taking Palestinian land. The process is illegal and as such can have no legal precedent. ..... FFS!! you repeat and repeat and repeat (and also contradict yourself quite regularly) the same dull mantra .....
to paraphrase (something of which you are totally incapable) ..... you stated very clearly that the american indians were now legally disenfranchised by the white man because it happened so long ago ..... you now try to say (again and again and again) that the passing of time does not create legality ......
you also claim that the land in question is palestinian because "the palestinians have lived there many 100s of years" ...... given that the jews have lived on that land for about 3,000 years, where does that leave your supposed logic?
mnamreh
- 29 Dec 2010 13:16
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Haystack
- 29 Dec 2010 13:49
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I didn't state that the american indians were now legally disenfranchised by the white man because it happened so long ago. Where did I say that? In fact I would want the areas that the Indians occupied to be returned to them, but that is impratical as they are all now dead. Thevery least should be to compensate them. The main difference is there are Palestinians alive now who have had their land taken as far back as 1949 and ealier. They are also losing their houses and land every day now.
No the Israelis have not lived there for 3,000 years. Some of their ancestors did live there 3,000 year ago, but only a handful. The bulk of the immigrants to Israel are from Europe and they have no descendant link as they are almost all converts to Judaeism and came from Eastern europe and Asia.
If I converted to Judaeism I would gain the right to live in Israel on land stolen from the Palestinians.
cynic
- 29 Dec 2010 14:00
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try posts 3916 (me) and 3919 (you) ..... no doubt you'll say i have misrepresented your implication, but i doubt if others (than fred) would concur