Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Exec,

Agreed.

I suggested similar in a post about three years ago.

The problems, I can see, is the possible stigmatization of the "workers" involved.

Also, would expect the remuneration is at the basic wages and that the companies involved do not see it as a cheap labour pool.

Profit margins going up at the expense of the tax payers.

Also, that those administrating the systems are checked regularly for abuse.


Also that the workers don't have to wear a "yellow star" to be able for the rest of society can recognise them.

Perhaps, a another useful idea for Fauxpage to develop!


Also, would like to see the number of jobs go up and the number of manual hours worked reduced.

I'm sure we'ld all like to see a stronger (full time) jobs market, but that inevitably lags the actually economy - ie slack within the system first has to be absorbed

I don't know who currently pays for cleaning war memorials and the like, nor exactly how this new system will operate
i'ld guess at you have to work a given number of hours to qualify for the benefits in question, but I recollect that a similar system has operated in CA for many years during the citrus harvest

Who the hell are these UKIP people...?....don't know anything about them...polls correct..18 %..?..blimey...

RF,

A bunch of ex "Con" party, Small Employers etc. in the main (thats the hierarchy) their voters however are a mix.

A fair number of old labour people are interested in ukip too.

How many? No idea!

But Farage got a big welcome when he was oop north a few weeks ago.

Indeed MK, As I said their voters are a mix.

YouGov’s poll this weekend found that almost one in five of Labour’s 2010 voters said they would be voting UKIP on May 22. One in ten Labour 2010 voters said they would vote UKIP in 2015.

And what about your "Con" Party?

Quite a few Stan, I'm one of them.

Far more Conservatives are going to vote UKIP at the Euros, but the point is that Labour are now losing voters. They had thought that labour was immune to UKIP, but they are now campaigning in the north of England in Labour's heartland with a lot of success.

Please read the piece below and then think about this couple, Paul and Sandra Dunham and who are the subject of an American Extradition Order.

Neither the Home Secretary not the Prime minister will utter a peep of a comment. Fortunately, our local MP, Andrea Leadsom, will but unfortunately she hasn't been able to do much to help because of the extradition laws. All that can be done is to keep appealing to a higher and even higher court.

It doesn't really matter whether they are 'Guilty' or whether they are 'Innocent' of the (most probably 'malicious') charges levied against them.

After you've read the news article, compare it with what happened to Haroon Aswat, the paranoid schizophrenic radical Islamist, who is accused of setting up a terrorist training camp in Oregon.

Northampton grandparents Paul and Sandra Dunham to be extradited to USA within days after losing final battle
Written by NICHOLAS BIEBER
Published: 28/04/2014 08:00 - Updated: 28/04/2014 01:29

A Northampton couple fighting extradition to the USA over an alleged work expenses fraud have lost their final battle to stop it going ahead.

Paul and Sandra Dunham appealed last week to The European Court of Human Rights in their last hope of avoiding extradition. However, the ECHR has now said it will not get involved in their case.

The married couple in their late 50s will now be extradited to the USA within 28 days to face charges in Maryland, with the possibility of months behind bars waiting for trial and the prospect of years in jail if found guilty.

Paul Dunham said: “Sandra and I are simply devastated. In fact we’re disgusted. The High Court recently ruled that an alleged terrorist will not be extradited to America without specific assurances as to his medical treatment. Yet Sandra and I, both honest, hardworking British tax-payers all our lives, now suffering from acute mental health problems, are being parcelled off without a thought for our welfare. We are heartbroken at being forced to leave behind my aged father, our son, our beloved 5 grandchildren and our cherished two dogs. We are innocent of any wrongdoing but no British court will hear our evidence.

“We’re both approaching 60 and our future is separation from each other, locked up a truly grim former Supermax prison, for an undisclosed period of pre-trial detention. We don’t have money to secure bail. This is before any court has examined our defence. How did Britain become so unjust?”

Michael Evans, of Kaim Todner Ltd, the Dunhams’ solicitor, said: “The treatment being meted out to the Dunhams is brutal – whilst politicians of all seniority and political persuasion wring their hands saying there’s nothing they can do to stop the bulldozer that is US extradition. It’s a sad day for justice.”

Read more: http://www.northampton-news-hp.co.uk/News/Northampton-News/Northampton-grandparents-Paul-and-Sandra-Dunham-to-be-extradited-to-USA-within-days-after-losing-final-battle-20140428080000.htm#ixzz30Ayw5iVM

There had been evidence put to a US court. Mr Durham, was indicted on 13 counts of fraud and money laundering by a grand jury in Greenbelt, Maryland, in December 2011, while his 57-year-old wife was accused of aiding and abetting him. There has been due process and they seem to have ignored the court case. I have followed this now and again and it looks like an attempt to generate lots of publicity to escape justice. Their solicitor seems to be milking the situation. It is a bit rich to start moaning about leaving their two beloved dogs. There is no evidence that they will be imprisoned awaiting trial. They seem to be trying the mental illness tactic to avoid it all.

Looking further into the case, I found that the indictment was the result of an FBI investigation.

goldiie,

Alders sorry for late reply

Been trying to get a bit of gardening done myself , but the soil is still a little wet.Like to grow my own fruit and veg

Clifford guilty, sentence Friday

Publicist Max Clifford is found guilty of eight indecent assaults on women and girls as young as 15.

Appeal?

1. There had been evidence put to a US court. Mr Durham, was indicted on 13 counts of fraud and money laundering by a grand jury in Greenbelt, Maryland, in December 2011, while his 57-year-old wife was accused of aiding and abetting him.

The couple, not living in the USA at the time, were only made aware of the charges in November 2012 when they were contacted by officers from Scotland Yard.

2. There has been due process and they seem to have ignored the court case.

Correct.
They were not aware of it and therefore at the time, were not able to prepare any defence or other preparation for it. In any event, the charges seem to be about expense claims, whilst in the employment of a US company. These expenses were signed off by: the owner of the company, the finance director of the company, the company's statutory auditors. There is strong opinion that the matter should be a civil problem and not a criminal problem.

Also, it is generally felt, that the charges have been brought about by malicious and mischievous accusation by the then owners son. At the time, Paul Dunham was recruited to be CEO and moved over from the UK to do this job, and obviously with a generous relocation expenses package. The son was miffed about not getting the CEO's job and left. The father died. The son inherited and decided to come back. Paul Dunham felt it was impossible to work for the son and left, going back to the UK.

3. I have followed this now and again and it looks like an attempt to generate lots of publicity to escape justice.

You betcha! But I don't call it 'justice'. Please read on...

4. Their solicitor seems to be milking the situation.

Hmmm? I think he is acting well for his clients,the Dunhams, and thankfully for them, is trying everything in the book that he can think of. Mr Dunham's father is footing the bill.

5. It is a bit rich to start moaning about leaving their two beloved dogs.

Agreed. So......let's think for a while about what to do with their home, their clothes and other possessions, their grandchildren, their aged father. Should they put their possessions in storage? How should they pay the bill? Who cuts the lawn? Should they rent out their home? Can they? It's mortgaged to the hilt. And for how long? Or maybe sell it?

6. There is no evidence that they will be imprisoned awaiting trial.

Should they be extradited, Mr and Mrs Dunham say they have warned they will be held in separate (male and female) 'Supermax' US jails for up to two years before their trial takes place. During this time, having no funds, having spent all of their money on legalities thus far, and now, since they are now bankrupt, they have to find and fund a US lawyer and prepare a defence.

7. They seem to be trying the mental illness tactic to avoid it all.

If they didn't have mental illness before, I dare bet my £5 that they damn well do now. They haven't even had any kind of a response from either the Home Secretary, who doesn't appear to deal with US Extradition any longer. ????? (And neither is she helpful or polite enough to compose any kind of a reply!)

Let's just suppose it is actually a malicious mischievous charge brought by the son of the founder, to get even with the Dunhams, for siding with the old man against him, thereby getting him ousted from the company.

Well, it is NOT JUSTICE to be forcibly take to a foreign country, the USA, under 'terrorism-type extradition jurisdictory criteria' and locked up, to be forcibly separated from your wife, home, possessions, dogs, family, WITHOUT AT LEAST BEING GIVEN SOME KIND OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO DEFEND YOURSELF.

Wonder they haven't found anythink on Benny Hill , one of the girls on the show's said he use to ask for a BJ , and she gave him one. Think it was said on a BBC program, mainly it was about who had his money when he died

Here's a Statement from Paul Dunham giving evidence in relation to his extradition proceedings:

http://www.friends-extradited.org/_filestore/Dunham_p_proof_of_evidence_19-04-13.pdf