This sums up much of my thinking - I hold a few and swing trade a few and even trade intraday sometimes ......

I think there is a lot of slack that management can cut out of the costs and would also anticipate sector consolidation ..... good value currently and have been holding their own in a falling market. Lot of US interest.

ains


Edited by Dominic White
(Filed: 08/02/2003)


Texting makes MmO2 sexy but it's also risky

More and more Britons are discovering the joys of textual intercourse. In the month of December, we fired off more than 50m mobile messages a day, and next Friday (that's Valentine's Day, folks, in case you'd forgotten) we'll send considerably more than that.



It emerged this week that the chief beneficiary of this craze is MmO2 . BT's former mobile phone division revealed that it gets a higher proportion of revenues from texting than any of the other three operators.

Revenue from messaging grew at its fastest rate ever in the last quarter, up 19pc, and data services as a proportion of MmO2 's revenue rose to 17.7pc from 15.6pc.

More good news was the rise in MmO2 's average revenues per customer. ARPUs, as nerdy analysts like to dub them, grew by 5pc to 243 in the UK and by 9pc in Germany to 212.

MmO2 now has 19.1m subscribers and in Britain it may be the smallest player, with 11.9m users, but it is growing faster than its rivals - testament to the success of its rebranding from BT Cellnet.

Only 114,000 of its 503,000 new UK subscribers were higher-spending contract customers, but MmO2 claims its pre-pay customers have started spending more than before.

Customer growth in Germany, which continues to be dominated by T-Mobile and Vodafone, is less impressive and the MmO2 share price ascribes little or no value to this part of the business.

That seems unfair, given the fact that the group has attracted higher-spending customers and has made a decent fist of turning the operation around. An eventual sale or merger is almost as inevitable as a disposal of the Dutch unit, which is losing customers.

MmO2 's larger rival Vodafone is trading on a free cashflow yield of 6pc, while at 49p this week, MmO2 's equivalent valuation remains negative. It might not have Vodafone's scale or profitability but there is room for upside. A risky buy.

Think I will hold off until tomorrow now but ready to jump in at any time - 56.25p current to buy with high vol of 80 million with 40 mins to go




Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (51.61%) 16 (35.90%) 1,564,333 55.84 - 56.55 2,792,701 (64.10%) 15 (48.39%)
5% (52.27%) 23 (31.66%) 2,174,066 55.64 - 56.78 4,692,249 (68.34%) 21 (47.73%)
10% (48.21%) 27 (33.19%) 3,099,554 55.15 - 57.05 6,238,228 (66.81%) 29 (51.79%)
15% (39.71%) 27 (31.62%) 3,099,554 55.15 - 57.24 6,703,630 (68.38%) 41 (60.29%)
50% (38.16%) 29 (30.08%) 3,304,554 54.83 - 58.09 7,680,618 (69.92%) 47 (61.84%)
100% (38.55%) 32 (30.00%) 3,324,674 54.71 - 58.15 7,756,310 (70.00%) 51 (61.45%)
all (38.10%) 32 (29.99%) 3,324,674 54.71 - 58.20 7,760,310 (70.01%) 52 (61.90%)

L2 for VOD? WRT todays falls do you still think it'll not fall on results day & go 60+?

I would rather wait until results day ..... but suspect we will see a mini bounce before then. Sub 56p now



Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (53.57%) 45 (39.74%) 6,565,622 119.33 - 120.39 9,955,246 (60.26%) 39 (46.43%)
5% (49.23%) 64 (34.03%) 9,144,059 118.92 - 120.83 17,726,544 (65.97%) 66 (50.77%)
10% (42.50%) 85 (35.44%) 14,361,647 117.86 - 121.94 26,166,064 (64.56%) 115 (57.50%)
15% (34.78%) 96 (32.63%) 14,804,922 117.71 - 122.91 30,567,246 (67.37%) 180 (65.22%)
50% (34.62%) 108 (31.67%) 14,936,570 117.59 - 123.45 32,226,686 (68.33%) 204 (65.38%)
100% (33.33%) 121 (31.20%) 15,119,907 117.27 - 124.13 33,347,328 (68.80%) 242 (66.67%)
all (32.62%) 122 (31.17%) 15,119,908 117.27 - 124.32 33,388,124 (68.83%) 252 (67.38%

So what price are you thinking of topping up now or have you already done so today?

I haven't bought back yet but will asap ..... hoping for a dip early this morning .... maybe 54p


TIMES

BIG losses loom for mmO2 when it reports full-year results later this week. The airy mobile phone operator has already confessed to a 1.4 billion write-off on its Dutch business, which was recently sold. More write-offs are expected.

They may include the companys third-generation mobile licences, acquired for 5.1 billion in Germany and 4 billion in the UK three years ago. The significance here is not the size of the numbers write-offs are non-cash charges and do not affect current trading but the implicit admission that the licences were not worth the original price paid.

Nonetheless, the prospect of big write-offs widely trailed last March has led to all manner excitement. After all, if mmO2 overpaid for its German and British licences, then hasnt the whole industry done likewise? It is hardly a welcome precedent for Vodafone, which has staked its future on people using mobiles as internet devices, running at high third-generation speeds.

But not all licences are the same. MmO2s auditors will determine whether the write-offs are necessary, based on ten-year projections for each country. Its German operation may be improving fast, but it remains loss-making. In the first half, operating losses were 121 million. The company is a firm fourth in a four-horse market with a 7 per cent share. Vodafone, incidentally, has a 40 per cent share in Germany. For mmO2, reducing Germanys value on the balance sheet is merely a statement of the obvious.

The bigger question is whether similar write-offs are on the cards for mmO2s UK business. This, however, is unlikely. Cellnet, mmO2s former identity, was well established and profit margins are rising. In the first half it earned 196 million. If the auditors take a dim view of Cellnets licence, that will be disquieting. But a German provision is a belated admission of what the market already knew. The bad news is already in the share price. Hold.

There we go .... said this the other day



mmO2 preps market for 3G writedowns
By Drew Cullen
Posted: 19/05/2003 at 10:14 GMT


mm02's financial PR bunnies are softening up the press in advance of Wednesday's results in which the UK-owned network operator is expected to declare a massive loss.

Stories in the Sunday Times, FT and The Guardian all say that mmm02 will write down, the majority of its 9bn investment in 3G licences (to be precise, former parent BT footed the bill). At the same time, the company will take a massive hit on its lossmaking Dutch operation, valued in the books at 1.4bn, but sold last month for 25m. The twin write down will see mm02's asset value reduced by between 6bn and 9bn, according to which newspaper you read. Currently, mmO2's asset value is 18bn.

mmO2's 3G writedown is to be welcomed. It will be interesting to see if Vodafone, T-Mobile and Orange get realistic too.

Vodafone maybe could take the pain, but T-Mobile parent Deutsche Telekom and Orange parent France Telecom have battered enough balance sheets as it is without this additional headache.

L2? So do you think it will go down to 54 today or tommorrow am. The above article seems to be the only press report that welcomes the write down. Unsure of outcome.

The article closely reflects my own views .... masrket has reversed again - US futures are mixed .... could go either way but I am waiting .


20 May 2003


Lehman Bros has an equal-weight rating and 500p price target for Rexam, an overweight rating and 73p price target for mmO2

Whats L2 like? Was the Lehman Bros reiteration today and have any other brokers revised their research and amended targets or projections? Bonds fell on Monday.

Mm02 bonds hit by writedown concerns

LONDON, May 19 (Reuters) - Bonds of UK-based mobile phone operator mm02 took a hit on Monday as traders were spooked by a potential six billion pound ($9.8 billion) asset writedown when it posts full-year results on Wednesday.

MmO2 (LSE: OOM.L - news - msgs) said in March it would review the value of its balance sheet and announce the results in May. Analysts have long expected this would translate into big financial charges to reflect the decreased earnings potential of its German third generation licences.

Newspapers added to concerns on Monday by reporting on the potential writedown, taking a bite out of mmO2 bonds. The yield on its 6.375 percent euro bond due January 2007 was quoted 10 basis points higher at 165 basis points over government debt in late trade, indicating a sharp fall in price.

Shares in mmO2, which had rallied 40 percent in two months prior to Monday, dropped more than five percent in line with a sharp fall in several European telecoms shares. A spokesman for mmO2 declined to comment.

yes - it was today


Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (56.67%) 17 (73.35%) 3,551,923 55.20 - 55.98 1,290,789 (26.65%) 13 (43.33%)
5% (55.88%) 19 (69.02%) 3,589,323 55.20 - 56.11 1,610,789 (30.98%) 15 (44.12%)
10% (55.10%) 27 (56.85%) 3,750,474 55.12 - 56.65 2,846,389 (43.15%) 22 (44.90%)
15% (50.79%) 32 (61.94%) 4,867,441 54.32 - 56.79 2,990,609 (38.06%) 31 (49.21%)
50% (48.48%) 32 (55.25%) 4,867,441 54.32 - 58.01 3,942,576 (44.75%) 34 (51.52%)
100% (47.95%) 35 (54.88%) 4,887,561 54.24 - 58.14 4,018,268 (45.12%) 38 (52.05%)
all (47.30%) 35 (54.86%) 4,887,561 54.24 - 58.23 4,022,268 (45.14%) 39 (52.70%)

0-1% (56.67%) 17 (73.35%) 3,551,923 55.20 - 55.98 1,290,789 (26.65%) 13 (43.33%)
1-5% (50.00%) 2 (10.46%) 37,400 55.20 - 56.11 320,000 (89.54%) 2 (50.00%)
5-10% (53.33%) 8 (11.54%) 161,151 55.12 - 56.65 1,235,600 (88.46%) 7 (46.67%)
10-15% (35.71%) 5 (88.56%) 1,116,967 54.32 - 56.79 144,220 (11.44%) 9 (64.29%)
15-50% (0.00%) 0 (0.00%) 0 54.32 - 58.01 951,967 (100.00%) 3 (100.00%)
50-100% (42.86%) 3 (21.00%) 20,120 54.24 - 58.14 75,692 (79.00%) 4 (57.14%)
100%- (0.00%) 0 (0.00%) 0 54.24 - 58.23 4,000 (100.00%) 1 (100.00%)

L2? Do you think the price will fall below this level now & perhaps be higher Wed?

In the short term the intraday trading chart is looking negative and I think it will dip but have a trade ready for the magic moment in time



Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (58.06%) 18 (64.84%) 3,458,320 55.19 - 56.19 1,875,126 (35.16%) 13 (41.94%)
5% (53.85%) 21 (53.77%) 3,555,700 55.18 - 56.48 3,057,422 (46.23%) 18 (46.15%)
10% (54.72%) 29 (50.38%) 3,716,851 55.10 - 56.66 3,660,522 (49.62%) 24 (45.28%)
15% (51.52%) 34 (56.07%) 4,833,818 54.30 - 56.77 3,787,242 (43.93%) 32 (48.48%)
50% (49.28%) 34 (50.49%) 4,833,818 54.30 - 57.78 4,739,209 (49.51%) 35 (50.72%)
100% (48.68%) 37 (50.20%) 4,853,938 54.22 - 57.89 4,814,901 (49.80%) 39 (51.32%)
all (48.05%) 37 (50.18%) 4,853,938 54.22 - 57.97 4,818,901 (49.82%) 40 (51.95%)

What price do you have your're trade ready for? L2 not looking that bad is it?

L2 is okay and fairly flat but not seeing any need to press ok at this time .... I don't use trading prices in that way but always get a quote when I think the time is right ... takes just a second or two if the trade is ready


ains

Trading seems to have come to a halt - keep checking to see if my system is still working

L2? Alot of selling pressure still persists. As always I get in @ the wrong price.

I thought you were going to wait ? .... what price did you pay?



Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (46.15%) 12 (46.40%) 1,894,310 55.01 - 55.91 2,187,923 (53.60%) 14 (53.85%)
5% (48.48%) 16 (41.57%) 2,020,034 54.98 - 56.06 2,838,947 (58.43%) 17 (51.52%)
10% (50.94%) 27 (34.87%) 2,362,645 54.74 - 56.47 4,413,794 (65.13%) 26 (49.06%)
15% (46.97%) 31 (43.22%) 3,469,612 53.75 - 56.57 4,558,014 (56.78%) 35 (53.03%)
50% (44.93%) 31 (38.64%) 3,469,612 53.75 - 57.48 5,509,981 (61.36%) 38 (55.07%)
100% (44.74%) 34 (38.45%) 3,489,732 53.64 - 57.58 5,585,673 (61.55%) 42 (55.26%)
all (44.16%) 34 (38.44%) 3,489,732 53.64 - 57.65 5,589,673 (61.56%) 43 (55.84%)

0-1% (46.15%) 12 (46.40%) 1,894,310 55.01 - 55.91 2,187,923 (53.60%) 14 (53.85%)
1-5% (57.14%) 4 (16.19%) 125,724 54.98 - 56.06 651,024 (83.81%) 3 (42.86%)
5-10% (55.00%) 11 (17.87%) 342,611 54.74 - 56.47 1,574,847 (82.13%) 9 (45.00%)
10-15% (30.77%) 4 (88.47%) 1,106,967 53.75 - 56.57 144,220 (11.53%) 9 (69.23%)
15-50% (0.00%) 0 (0.00%) 0 53.75 - 57.48 951,967 (100.00%) 3 (100.00%)
50-100% (42.86%) 3 (21.00%) 20,120 53.64 - 57.58 75,692 (79.00%) 4 (57.14%)
100%- (0.00%) 0 (0.00%) 0 53.64 - 57.65 4,000 (100.00%) 1 (100.00%)

sub 56. I really need this to take off Wed am & cannot understand weakness unless we've underestimated effect of the 3G writedowns. I wanted to buy when you did! :(

What's L2 showing now. If I'd waited could've got it 0.75pts cheaper. Cannot afford sell off tommorrow as I feel very uncomfortable with the 3G writedown news.

How come you didnt wait then lol


might have come off the bottom but difficult to tell at this moment






Buy orders Sell orders
Num(%) Num Vol(%) Vol VWAP Vol Vol(%) Num Num(%)
1% (58.62%) 17 (56.33%) 2,750,352 55.05 - 55.67 2,132,278 (43.67%) 12 (41.38%)
5% (59.46%) 22 (52.71%) 3,126,076 54.98 - 55.84 2,804,654 (47.29%) 15 (40.54%)
10% (58.62%) 34 (43.48%) 3,471,187 54.82 - 56.34 4,511,801 (56.52%) 24 (41.38%)
15% (52.78%) 38 (49.48%) 4,578,154 54.05 - 56.45 4,673,721 (50.52%) 34 (47.22%)
50% (50.67%) 38 (44.87%) 4,578,154 54.05 - 57.36 5,625,688 (55.13%) 37 (49.33%)
100% (50.00%) 41 (44.64%) 4,598,274 53.97 - 57.46 5,701,380 (55.36%) 41 (50.00%)
all (49.40%) 41 (44.63%) 4,598,274 53.97 - 57.52 5,705,380 (55.37%) 42 (50.60%)

0-1% (58.62%) 17 (56.33%) 2,750,352 55.05 - 55.67 2,132,278 (43.67%) 12 (41.38%)
1-5% (62.50%) 5 (35.85%) 375,724 54.98 - 55.84 672,376 (64.15%) 3 (37.50%)
5-10% (57.14%) 12 (16.82%) 345,111 54.82 - 56.34 1,707,147 (83.18%) 9 (42.86%)
10-15% (28.57%) 4 (87.24%) 1,106,967 54.05 - 56.45 161,920 (12.76%) 10 (71.43%)
15-50% (0.00%) 0 (0.00%) 0 54.05 - 57.36 951,967 (100.00%) 3 (100.00%)
50-100% (42.86%) 3 (21.00%) 20,120 53.97 - 57.46 75,692 (79.00%) 4 (57.14%)
100%- (0.00%) 0 (0.00%) 0 53.97 - 57.52 4,000 (100.00%) 1 (100.00%)