Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Many pay the costs of a divorce for decades after the event!

The only ones to escapes scot free are the "lawyers".

The CBI and most of business wish to remain in the EU.

Who are the little englanders and what is in leaving EU for them.

It won't happen.

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Interesting article in Observer

"has torrid Brussels showdown pushed Britain nearer EU exit?! by Toby Helm.

Max,

If you want to summing up of the Brussels fiasco and possible consequences:

A bad day for Britain, Mr Cameron


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Only thing missing is exiting to Where and What?

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The Eton Mess is licking up to the Junket!

A bit late.

in politics, things are rarely as seen let alone heard

Do you mean Cameron is worse than he appears!

8-)

Why is it a bad day for Britain Fred? Cameron perhaps, but not Britain.

Read the article!

The majority of clubs have entrance and membership fees.

The members can negotiate fees and change rules, outsiders have less influence.

UK may wish to trade with EU , but EU will be more reluctant to deal with UK.

Also, if not within the EU probably Financial services will gradually move to Brussels etc.

Also, with more integrated EU. cost of Defence, R&D, foreign policies, cross border criminality can be more efficient..

Ask the CBI.

ETC Etc

I don't think it is a bad day for Cameron. Most of the EU leaders don't want Juncker and he is unsuitable for the job. Many say he doesn't want the job. He wants another job that he can't get. Merkel doesn't want him. She showed signs of rejecting him and was attacked by the German press so she supported him. She is in a coalition and her partners want him. It is suggested by commentators that many of the EU leaders support Cameron and admire him for what he did. They won't support another candidate for similar reasons to Merkel. It is interesting that several leaders including Germany, Sweden and Holland have indicated that they are open to some discussions about the rules with Cameron and welcome them.

http://www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/15005

In Jean-Claude Juncker, the EU's member states have settled on a European Commission president who is potentially ill-suited to the role for which he has been chosen, and selected through a process which has proved to be flawed in its execution. Further, it has significant consequences for the balance of power between the EU's institutions, key bilateral relationships between the EU's member states (especially the position of the UK), and for the likely future agenda of the EU.

Haze,
Are you fragmenting.
What was the vote for Juncker in Brussels?
Or was that a figment of the imagination.
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As perhaps you have problems
How to relate the following Poll.



29-06-2014

There was also a Survation poll in the Mail on Sunday with fieldwork conducted on Friday (tabs here).

Topline figures there were CON 27%(nc), LAB 36%(+4), LDEM 7%(-2), UKIP 22%(-1).

The rest of the poll dealt mostly with Juncker, and again opinions are split largely along existing party lines – so 38% saw Cameron’s opposition to Juncker as a sign of strength, 36% as a sign of weakness… but 75% of Tories thought it was a sign of strength, 57% of Labour voters thought it was a sign of weakness.


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I think you've lost the plot Fred!

The members can negotiate fees and change rules, outsiders have less influence.


We pay our due's, lots of em, but get little or no say.


That has to stop, no, not stop, be wiped out altogether, lets get out now!


You can move to the continent Fred, no one will stop you.

I'd be happy to pay his fare Max :O)

The Standard for the UKippers and little englanders.

Is it back to work on Captain:

David Cameron: Why I still believe Britain can do business in Europe

The Juncker defeat is not a fatal blow. Britain will champion change in Europe, argues David Cameron



The Prime Minister: 'I will fight with all I have to reform the EU over the next few years’ Photo: AFP



The flannel is here, but read the comments, Call Me Dave is a dead man walking.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/david-cameron/10934647/David-Cameron-Why-I-still-believe-Britain-can-do-business-in-Europe.html

He was blown away in Europe.

fred was guaranteed to stand on his soapbox and rant

for myself, I think there is plenty more life in this debate as unquestionably there are many leading politicos within Europe who are certainly not enamoured with juncker ..... though they were arm-twisted into voting for him - e.g. angela merkel - what now happens behind the scenes may (not will) bring about a rather different complexion reflecting better the wishes of the voters who strongly demanded significant reform

Nigel Farage is 'weirder' than Ed Miliband

Poll of marginal voters reveals that Ukip leader is seen as more weird and more down to earth than the Labour leader


Nigel Farage topped the ComRes poll while Labour leader Ed Miliband placed second Photo: PA



By Georgia Graham, Political Correspondent

10:02AM BST 30 Jun 2014





Voters in marginal seats think Nigel Farage is weirder than Ed Miliband, a poll has shown.


The Ukip leader is seen as weirdest party leader but also the politician voters most closely identify with, according to a ComRes poll of the 40 most marginal seats.


Mr Miliband, the Labour leader, is seen as far more "weird" than either David Cameron or Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister. A third of voters said the description matches the Labour leader in comparison to just 7 per cent for the Prime Minister.


More twaddle here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10935056/Nigel-Farage-is-weirder-than-Ed-Miliband.html