Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Yes, go ahead and support Theresa, Hays. I hope you have the same success with her as you had with ol' Clarke and she is stitched up by Eurosceptics once again.

May won't get stitched up. The party has changed. The majority of the party are now remainers. The Eurosceptics have less power now.

The Nu Tory party are going the way of Nu Labour, almost total disconnect between MP's and the ordinary party members.

A new poll by Survation on behalf of the Constitutional Research Council tells you why people were calling Theresa May “Prime Minister” last night at the Spectator’s summer party. A poll of the general public has May as the only one with a significant positive favourability rating – Boris would have been the other.

If i remember rightly Hays you panicked when the Luvvies showed support for Remain , you said everyone will follow them , then you lost it saying house prices would fall and people would be in negative equity and they would vote remain . You worked on Ken Clarkes failed attempt at leader , not really infallible are you .

certainly the property market has come to a complete standstill and a fall (say 5/15%) must surely be on the cards if a sale is to be completed

The commercial property market has already fallen, with three major funds suspended. We are likely to have a recession at the end of this year. Prices for foreign gods already on the rise; I had an email this morning from a company warning that once current stocks run out prices will be rising due to imports from France. Pounds at a 31 year low. Looks pretty bad to me.

No news of exports Haystack?

Foreign gods eh , i'm just winding you up .I know you are never wrong .

I think things will be fine longer term, but I expect the UK to have serious problems shorter term. Overall I am happy to be out of the EU. Public perception may change if we go into a recession and unemployment rises. Then you could expect increasing calls for us to stay in the EU. The public are generally pretty fickle and above all stupid.

TORY LEADERSHIP

last two

Theresa v Andrea

Michael ( the backstabber ) got his "comeuppance "

And he is such a likeable fellow.

I have a suspicion of what may happen over the next year.

Imagine a recession about the end of this year. We haven't activated Article 50 yet. Unemployment is rising, the pound drops further, the stock market falls, home prices fall (there is already a downturn in numbers of house sales now). Opinions polls show a clear majority for staying in the EU, maybe 60/40

The government speaks to the EU. It announces that due to economic conditions, Article 50 will not be activated for the foreseeable future. Opinion polls how strong support for government stance.

There is some movement towards UKIP, but it is mainly Labour voters as it was the poorest areas that voted Leave. After a couple of years a new referendum is held giving 62/38 in favour of Remain.

Lay off the Budweiser Hays, you're starting to hallucinate.

Which is the plan all along...talk about transparent: That's you btw Haystack (closet remainian)

certainly the coming months are going to be very interesting indeed, though much of it will happen well hidden from view
there is no doubt that plutocrats in brussels are now shitting themselves lest the whole pack of cards starts collapsing
how they prevent this without losing too much face (by caving in to uk demands?) will be fascinating to watch

Text from Michael Gove: "Well, that didn't go entirely to plan" #idiot

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Haystack - 07 Jul 2016 15:14 - 4324 of 4331

The public are generally pretty fickle and above all stupid.
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Haystack you really are arrogant , were you bullied at school ?

Centrist Tory MPs will now fear that the party’s activists, who have the final say on who will be their next leader and the country’s next prime minister, will prefer the outspoken Leadsom to May, whose long stint at the Home Office means she is considered a safe pair of hands.



http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/07/theresa-may-andrea-leadsom-tory-leader-prime-minister

either one could prove to be a strong pm (in direct contrast to "the lettuce" aka jc) and the loser should assuredly have a key role in the next cabinet

both will bring something something positive to the table, but both equally have their weaknesses