Fred1new
- 06 Jan 2009 19:21
Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?
If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?
Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?
What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?
cynic
- 19 Feb 2011 18:08
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i only reported what i had been told by someone who lives there ..... certainly most of the protesters appear to have been peaceful, but i doubt if all, but not of great importance either way
Haystack
- 19 Feb 2011 19:16
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It could be important if they were armed from external sources as it might indicate ulterior motives. I know the Bahraini government claimed that weapons were used on state TV, but it looks like justification for opening fire. The Foreign Minister did a poor job of justifying the heavy hand. He said that shops could not open and the protests were affecting economic life.
cynic
- 20 Feb 2011 07:40
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of course there are "ulterior motives" for some, and external interference for sure .... nevertheless, there has to be underlying and overwhelming support from within for this sort of protest to be take place ..... the end result(s) across the region remain very uncertain, but for sure there will be great change, if not immediately then within a year or two at most
fahel
- 20 Feb 2011 10:10
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Haystack
- 21 Feb 2011 21:45
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Two Libyan fighter pilots have landed their planes in Malta after being asked to bomb protestors.
In The Land of the B
- 22 Feb 2011 11:13
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I'm astonished freddiefewbrains and the parrot haven't stated as a fact all the turmoil in the Arab world is an Israeli plot to divert attention from their latest flat building.
Seen all those maps in the papers of the Middle East and North Africa?
Look how tiny a sliver of land Israel is.
And fewbrains and his Nazi friend the parrot want Israel destroyed..............dream on LOL
cynic
- 22 Feb 2011 13:58
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what would be more interesting to establish is whether or not iran is truly behind all this turmoil, and if not iran, then who ..... assuredly it has all been coordinated from outside
Haystack
- 22 Feb 2011 14:12
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I see. Not an Israeli plot, but maybe an Iranian plot!
LOL
cynic
- 22 Feb 2011 16:13
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does that mean that you concur that iran is most likely behind all this?
In The Land of the B
- 22 Feb 2011 16:17
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give him a chance to search the web for a ready made answer
Sardine
- 22 Feb 2011 16:35
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Excuse me butting in but....................Last week it was announced that an Iranian aircraft carrier and one other Iranian ship had sailed from the Gulf bound for The Med via the Suez Canal......This has disappeared from the news until today, when we have four Iranian ships mentioned with one being a frigate but no reference of an aircraft carrier.
Also, two nights ago fighting also going on in Djibouti......French have small army of the Legion there. South end of red Sea Djibouti on west side and Yemen on east..........Since disappeared from news......... Scary!
hangon
- 22 Feb 2011 16:48
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I think the UK has some aircraft-carriers "spare" - but where should we sell 'em?
In The Land of the B
- 22 Feb 2011 16:49
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gumtree
Haystack
- 22 Feb 2011 17:15
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Two iranian ships passed through the canal today. There was always just the two ships. I am not sure where the other reports came from.
The ships involved are the Alvand - thought to be a British-built Vosper Mark 5 class frigate - and a supply vessel, the Kharg, also British-built.
The Alvand, a missile-carrying frigate, was launched in 1968. It is an impressive vessel by the standards of the Iranian navy, but no match for comparable Western warships nor the sophisticated missile boats of the Israeli navy, our correspondent says.
In The Land of the B
- 22 Feb 2011 17:23
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Why don't you quote your sources, parrot?
Not that anyone would think you had a single original thought in your head, anyway.
It's the BBC, by the way.
Haystack
- 22 Feb 2011 17:24
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I think it is very unlikely that Iran was behind any of the uprisings in the ME. The trigger was the guy who burned himself to death in Tunisia after being constantly arrested because he could not get a market trader's licence without paying a bribe. This led to the downfall of the Tunisian government after mass demonstrations.
In Egypt there was a planned demonstration in support of the guy who was dragged from an internet cafe last June and beaten to death for apparantly surfing web sites that were banned (Khaled Said). The demonstration had been planned for about a month and it turned out to be coincidental with the incident in Tunisia that led to the change of president there. The Egyptian demonstration became a lot bigegr than planned and it was confronted by the police. The rest is as played out on the media.
Haystack
- 22 Feb 2011 17:28
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For "seen by the Israeli in particular as even more destabilising", read PARANOIA.
Also from the BBC.
What is clear is that this deployment is not a direct response to the current upheavals in the Middle East, he adds.
Iran's semi-official Fars news agency reported in January that Iranian navy cadets were going on a year-long training mission through Suez and into the Mediterranean - well before the protests that have swept the leaders of Tunisia and Egypt from power.
But coming in the wake of these political changes the Iranian deployment will be seen by the Israeli in particular as even more destabilising,
cynic
- 22 Feb 2011 17:48
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haystack - if you believe the coordinated "spontaneous" protests/uprisings across the whole of north africa and m/e were purely through unconnected coincidence, then you're even more naive (stupid) than others think ....... whether israel considers these incidents as destabilising is a mind-boggling narrow view, for they could prove to be very far-reaching indeed ..... certainly the whole dynamic in the affected region is likely to undergo dramatic change in an as yet unknown direction and dimension
Haystack
- 22 Feb 2011 18:06
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The regimes in the ME have been oppressive for many years and there have been plenty of mass demonstrations regularly in most of the ME countries in recent times. The success of the Tunisia uprising gave Egypt the impetus to push their demonstrations further than usual and the success of Egypt's efforts have spurred on several other countries. That's about it as far as I am concerned. There seems to be little evidence of external forces. Not a coincidence but a series of dominos waiting to topple.
I am generally not a believer in conspiracy theories. I am sure that the US landed on the moon, Marylin Monroe died of a overdose (intentional or otherwise), Elvis does not live on the moon, 911 was not a US government plot and Priness Di was just an over hyped idiot that did not wear a seat belt in a car driven by a drunk driver (luckily I was out of the country and missed the crash, the hype and the funeral).
cynic
- 22 Feb 2011 18:08
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let's ask this very simply again ..... yes or no anwer ..... do "believe the coordinated "spontaneous" protests/uprisings across the whole of north africa and m/e were purely through unconnected coincidence"?