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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

cynic - 11 Feb 2011 07:45 - 4301 of 6906

you pre-suppose that the military supports mubarak ..... action to date suggests that this less than certain .... see also comment(s) on CEY thread

Stan - 11 Feb 2011 08:26 - 4302 of 6906

As far as the military is concerned it will probably come down to how much bribery is being pushed there way. Interesting to see it unfold all the same.

mnamreh - 11 Feb 2011 08:33 - 4303 of 6906

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cynic - 11 Feb 2011 08:40 - 4304 of 6906

the military will have its own agenda, though don't forget that it is made up of people and not automatons ...... that the markets are better than calm is good news and i hear, probably correctly, that talks (with whom?) are currently taking place with the military

Stan - 11 Feb 2011 08:45 - 4305 of 6906

Everyone to there own but I rarely find some History anything but fascinating mn.

mnamreh - 11 Feb 2011 08:51 - 4306 of 6906

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Stan - 11 Feb 2011 09:01 - 4307 of 6906

Yes indeed it would.

Fred1new - 11 Feb 2011 09:38 - 4308 of 6906

I thought Mubarak had been caught with his trousers down and "thought" that like all good ex-dictators, was trying to export the wealth he and his family had extorted from his country.

His son and part of the family had left the country over 10 days ago.

Anybody know which country?

I hope this confrontation does not end in bloodshed, but it is beginning to become nastier.

There seems to be some organisation of the "reformists" and as expected it has provoked strikes, which could make it difficult for the army to break.

But the belly still rules and the momentum must be kept up.

I had hoped that the strikes would effect the power supplies and media earlier.

Good luck to the those who believe in a transition to a "democratic" state.

If you look at the Balkan states you may have some model, even if those state have a long way to go..

Also some may remember the bloodless Carnation Revolution of Portugal and the replacement with a representative government.

Also think of the relatively "Bloodless revolution" of Spain from a dictatorship after Franco to a "Democracy".


In Portugal and Spain the "new states" used the "state apparatchiks".

Still slowly removing them.

mnamreh - 11 Feb 2011 09:54 - 4309 of 6906

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Haystack - 11 Feb 2011 11:13 - 4310 of 6906

Mubarak's son Gamal is supposed to have been seen in London about a week ago. He has a large house at 28 wilton Place in Knightsbridge.

Fred1new - 11 Feb 2011 11:22 - 4311 of 6906

N.

Just my opinion:

It seems to me that for a revolution to occur. It is necessary to have some or all of the following ;-

1) either an autocratic, or plutocratic government,
2) a completely incompetent government, which is detached from the populace.
3) a populace which has ongoing and increasing dissatisfaction and resentment of its rulers.
4) a grossly materially unequal society
5) a society where the rights of the individuals within the society are obviously tilted to a plutocratic self perpetuating hierarchy.
6) a form of communication for the dissenters to orchestrate and symbolise the major dissatisfactions and injustices.
7) numerous initial leaders, who are able to work together for the cause and are prepared to and initially able to put their personal ambitions behind them.


However, the most important things are empty bellies, lack of opportunities and reasonable expectancies to be able to improve on their present situations without revolt.


In the present situation in Egypt, you have all of the above with the added exposure and organising effect of the internet and media etc..
You mention international military intervention in reference to the Balkans. I think the reporting of the recent Balkans changes have generally been superficial. What happened in Yugoslavia was thought by many likely to occur for many years before Tito died. (I was in Yugoslavia before Titos death and in private conversations discussed such possibilities. In addition, I had politically active friends in this country who thought the same. (Tito, himself, foresaw this possibility and did attempt to put into the constitution steps to try and reduce the likely-hood of what has happened.~)
Tinkering, by the West has probably little effect on the inevitable, other than speeding up the actions.
I think the Iraq situation is different, but the revolution is continuing there.

Iran, it was obvious for years that the puppet government of the Shah would fall. The external tinkering of Britain and America came to nothing, other than providing the environment for a more radical change.

But I wonder if our government is setting up similar conditions as mention previously. It doesnt have to be violent, but the back lash from some of its present policies may be more severe than expected.

(I have lived through interesting times.)

Now back to my Veal Paprika.







mnamreh - 11 Feb 2011 11:33 - 4312 of 6906

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Haystack - 11 Feb 2011 12:21 - 4313 of 6906

Here is a very instructive article about Suleiman. There is plenty of evidence that he has actually been running Egypt for the past few years.

"In Egypt, as Habib recounts in his memoir, My Story: The Tale of a Terrorist Who Wasnt, he was repeatedly subjected to electric shocks, immersed in water up to his nostrils and beaten. His fingers were broken and he was hung from metal hooks. At one point, his interrogator slapped him so hard that his blindfold was dislodged, revealing the identity of his tormentor: Suleiman."

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/opinion/2011/02/201127114827382865.html

Haystack - 11 Feb 2011 15:16 - 4314 of 6906

On Twitter

"Uninstalling Murabak - 99.9% complete

Remove Murabak and try again"

In The Land of the B - 11 Feb 2011 16:03 - 4315 of 6906

So now you spend your life steering a sat dish, copying and pasting off the internet and now the same with twitter.
Is there nothing original in your mind, parrot?

Stan - 11 Feb 2011 16:09 - 4316 of 6906

Murabak steps down.

Haystack - 11 Feb 2011 16:17 - 4317 of 6906

Has Suleiman gone though? The army is in control, but he is General Suleiman.

Stan - 11 Feb 2011 16:22 - 4318 of 6906

Doubt it, he will be the next I expect.

Stan - 11 Feb 2011 16:28 - 4319 of 6906

Apparently the announcement came after the masses had just stopped praying, hope they don't put it down to an act of one of there gods -):

Stan - 11 Feb 2011 16:34 - 4320 of 6906

There are strong rumours that Murabak will would go to Scotland.. but he hosni.
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