Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Im trying to find it and an eye opener it is.

i prefer the BBC news and comment which is rather less partisan than the stuff you cherry pick

It was from the BBC, having difficulty finding it.

Expected millions will be paid back to HMRC although cheats can appeal.

Il find it later on.

Ive got the lawn mower chugging away.

from my bbc news app ...... try bbc.co.uk/news/uk - and read the whole article

you may also care to read what i posted rather more carefully instead of just shooting from the hip

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if a "cheat" appeals and wins, he isn't a cheat, though you won't like that concept i'm sure

The BBC "less partisan" - you are having a laugh Cynic !

you too - read the article instead of just guessing!

Here we are.........Accelerated Payment Notices.

MP Andrew Mitchell invested in scheme HMRC says avoided tax
Andrew Mitchell


Former government chief whip Andrew Mitchell has invested in a high-profile film financing company considered to be a tax avoidance scheme by HMRC.

Tax collectors say the scheme's investors can expect to receive big tax bills in the coming months.

Mr Mitchell is best known for resigning from the government in October 2012 over an argument with some Downing Street policemen - later dubbed "Plebgate" - a chain of events that has left him locked in a series of high profile libel actions.

In the mid-2000s he invested in a vehicle called Ingenious Film Partners 2.

According to its promoters, this was a scheme that encouraged people to invest in British film. But, according to the Revenue, it was designed to generate inappropriate amounts of tax relief for its investors.

HMRC
Tax avoidance: What are the rules?

This week, HMRC listed Ingenious Film Partners 2 as one of 1,200 candidates for "accelerated payment notices".

This is a power that takes effect this week, meaning that investors can be asked to repay all tax that HMRC thinks they should have paid before going to court. Upon receiving the notice, the bill must be settled within 90 days.

Tax enforcement is now a very high political priority.

That is why the coalition has given HMRC more money for enforcement and new powers. Experts say that schemes that were left alone in previous years - some long-established - are now being caught in the HMRC dragnet.

Other senior establishment figures to invest in the scheme include Lord Waldegrave, the former chief secretary to the Treasury, and Lord Grade, the former chairman of the BBC.

Lord Grade
Lord Grade was chairman of the BBC between 2004 and 2006
All said they had invested in the scheme to support the film industry.

Ingenious, the company that runs Ingenious Film Partners 2, said: "HMRC has failed to distinguish between commercial businesses and tax avoidance schemes and have, without proper consideration, deemed all film arrangements to be tax schemes."

As a minimum, investors in Ingenious Film Partners 2 could put in £36,000. If they put in that much, Ingenious would then loan them a further £64,000 to invest, taking their stake up to £100,000. That would be used to buy shares in film productions which, in their first year, created a roughly £90,000 loss.

Top-rate taxpayers who invested in the scheme could choose to write off that loss against their taxes.

'Wholly unfair'
So in return for putting in £36,000 in cash, they would get about the same amount in tax relief very fast - and end up owning a £100,000 stake in a group of films.

So long as the films made enough to service the debt, Ingenious's structure would allow people to make a long-term investment without locking up their cash.

According to court documents from January this year, HMRC disputed "that the activities of the partnerships constituted the carrying on of a trade and dispute that expenses incurred in the course of their businesses related wholly and exclusively to the carrying on of any trade".

If it is challenged and HMRC wins a subsequent case, the revenue can keep the money. If it loses, it must refund investors. Ingenious said: "A tax tribunal called at Ingenious' request… is now scheduled for November. Ingenious remains confident of the outcome."

Ingenious is well-known in British media. It really does support films. Mr Mitchell invested in films including X-Men: The Last Stand, Garfield: A Tale of Two Kitties and Sunshine. He also backed a less well known film called Virgin Territories.

Ingenious has also, through other vehicles, invested in Avatar, the Best Exotic Marigold Hotel, Girl with a Pearl Earring, Vera Drake, Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz and Hotel Rwanda.

Furthermore, the structure of the scheme means that investors do pay tax on any income they receive from the films.

Ingenious says its schemes have generated a £1bn of such income. Ingenious said: "There has been a major change of position by the government driven by a rather crude attempt to generate cash for the Exchequer in a wholly unfair and unjust manner."

Newsnight asked how much Mr Mitchell, Lord Waldegrave and Lord Grade invested, but they did not respond. It is possible that they have already reached a settlement with HMRC to repay tax reliefs. They may never have actually used the relief. But they might also be facing bills for tens of thousands of pounds of tax.

Lord Waldegrave was MP for Bristol West from 1979 to 1997

Lord Waldegrave
Lord Waldegrave was MP for Bristol West from 1979 to 1997
Either way, it is likely to be embarrassing - particularly for a politician like Mr Mitchell who still wants a big job. He had been touted as a candidate to be Britain's European Commissioner.

Mr Mitchell said: "When the last Labour government introduced tax incentives to invest in the British film industry, along with many other investors I did so through Ingenious Films. I resigned from Ingenious when I was in government and always pay all tax when due."

Lord Grade said: "I can confirm that I am one of the original investors in the Ingenious Film Partners 2 LLP Fund. The Labour government at the time promoted a policy to stimulate investment in the British film industry through tax incentives. The Ingenious Fund gave effect to this policy…"

Lord Waldegrave said: "It was presented as a genuine film investment partnership. I was told they'd financed Avatar and other films. It never occurred to me it was tax avoidance. The Revenue haven't been in touch yet. If the Revenue contact me then I would pay it back."

CORRECTION a tax tribunal as been arranged NOT individual appeals.

This Film company imo dont have a cat in hells chance of winning. Giddeon will see to that and HE WILL APPEAL the decision if it were to go against him.

Far too hot for politics today , you should all lighten up , how about a short skirt competition ?

It might be an idea to go after some of the other non tax payers



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goldfinger _ cynic

Why don't you use a letting agent , if you can find a good one [ lots of cowboys around ]

I do abroad alders.

I like to be hands on over here though. Some take too big a cut and I dont trust some of them for veting people.

Off out to cut the grass.

Jimmy B

She looks under age , there might be a red dot pin pointing your location on a map in a Police HQ .

Under age aldwick ! how old are you ? the syndrome of when the policemen look younger i think ,thats when you know your old .

gold. your question if they can not pay the rent then they must be living in a home to dear . why should working class people on min wage help to pay their rent living in a big home while they struggle .
they mostly do not work so move them to a area with cheap rents .or get off their backsides and find a job .

You must give your landlord access to the property to inspect it or carry out repairs. Your landlord has to give you at least 24 hours’ notice and visit at a reasonable time of day, unless it’s an emergency and they need immediate access.

You must also:
take good care of the property – eg by turning off the water at the mains if you’re away in cold weather
pay the agreed rent, even if repairs are needed or you’re in dispute with your landlord
pay other charges as agreed with the landlord - these may include Council Tax or utility bills
repair or pay for any damage caused by you, your family or friends
only sublet a property if the tenancy agreement, or your landlord, allows it

Your landlord has the right to take legal action to evict you if you don’t meet your responsibilities.

two rockets fired in to ISRAEL hamas breaking the ceasefire again .but we all know that hamas terrorists do not give a shite about gaza only the money they are making for retirement to another country . Israel should just bomb the lot .no lose to the world

TANKER - 17 Jul 2014 10:14 - 43850 of 43851

gold. your question if they can not pay the rent then they must be living in a home to dear ...................................ends

TANKER 70% on Housing benefit are in work.

Its the 1. Housing Benefit Cap
2. Bedroom Tax
3. Council Tax Cap

That as led to people getting in arrears, not idle people as you believe yourself.

Why on earth do you think Food Banks, Cheap Retailers, Pay Day loan Companys, Charity Shops, Catologue Companys, cheap cuts of meat, savings at their lowest, debts at their highest have come about???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Its a combination of,

1. employers paying low wages (less than min wage in some circumstances)
2. A cut in benefits
3. paying more back door taxes eg, child benefit taken away from some midle class
4. having to pay for health charges eg, lack of NHS Dentists
5. government promoting higher inflation
6. increased housing costs

that have all led to these arrears of benefits, since the tories got in power.

T
There is no ceasefire. It was imposed by Israel. Hamas wants a truce, which is not the same thing.

gold has a pensioner and many friends pensioners .they live on just over 11k a year and pay £200 tax can get no help because they pay tax .those that pay no tax get benefits .so they end up far better off than the pensioners that saved this is a disgrace .the secret is not to save do not put money into a pension spend all your money and let the fools saving pay for your life style .

is this what you mean