Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

CYNIC THEY MAKE IT UP TO £130 AWEEK PLUS FREE RENT AND C.T


GOLD ANSWER MY QUESTION YES OR NO TO SPENDING THEIR MONEY AND RELY ON THE STATE SIMPLE ANSWER YES OR NO

THE PUB DOWN THE ROAD FULL EVER DAY WITH DOLE DOSSERS
THE WORKERS AT THE LOCAL FACTORY CAN NOT EVEN AFFORD TO GO TWICE A WEEK . KIDS IN PRAMS AT THE PUB DOORS

I have answerd your question I agree with you TANKER. What your forgeting is these people that you are making out to be scroungers and they possibly are DONT have the chance to contribute to a PRIVATE PENSION and I dare say it looks like they are having a swell time BUT ARE THEY REALLY.........would you like to live in a -hit hole, would you like to be without say an holiday abroad, would you like to have just one pot noodle meal a day, would you like to be handed hand downs from a charity shop.

What your forgetting is that these people in general have had a bad bringing up and have nothing to look forward to nor nothing to lose and know no better as thier parents were mostly brought up that way aswel.

Can you really say your standard of living isnt a lot better than thiers??? It should be.

Cynic you get pension credits which then are paid out as a basic state pension.

By the way it is called THE DEPARTMENT FOR WORK AND PENSIONS

He is an .. looking bug which reminded me that the cartoon is missing!

This not so "amusing"!

When I go to the Dordogne I will be taking grandson to Oradour-sur-glane:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/german-prosecutors-zero-in-on-ss-massacre-in-oradour-sur-glane-a-959577.html

GOLD OK. BUT I SEE THESE SO CALLED HARD PEOPLE EVER DAY .they are better off than the people working fact not fiction .who ever comes to power the benefit system
as got to be dealt with when it pays not to work their is something wrong and must be addressed .

Well you should be blaming Ian Duncan Smith then.

How can someone working who as their own home be worse off than these scroungers.

Average price of an house what about £265 grand.

Do you really think these scroungers have got anywhere near that in assets.??

The only assets they have are the rags on their backs and a few replacements in thier rented house.

Now come on TANKER Ive conceded a lot of ground to you today NOW its your turn to ANSWER THE QUESTION.

ever one unemployed for over 6 months should be sent to the council to do local cleaning paths old peoples gardens and loads more tasks and made to sign on ever morning with a clock card .and if some one else clocks in for them stop their dole

gold they do not were rags

gold they do not were rags

Yeah yeah lets open the poor house again, lets send kids up chimneys and down drains , lets bring the whip back and the gallows.

Ohh I give up until you have the decency to answer my question.

Manners dont cost anything.

what is your question I will answer always do a yes or no

TANKER - 17 Jul 2014 15:25 - 43880 of 43883

ever one unemployed for over 6 months should be sent to the council to do local cleaning paths old peoples gardens and loads more tasks.....................ends

so what are you going to do with the unemployed workers from the council that your plan above will create??????????????????????????????????????????

43879

TANKER question 43879 and 43880.......now come on be quick her indoors is wanting a seeing to. It must be this heat.

sticks - there's plenty of cleaning and general maintenance jobs of one variety or another which local councils never get round to doing or do not have the manpower for it

They dont here. And if they didnt do it their would be hell on.

Have you ever wondered why you pay your Council Tax.

By the way are you sure TANKER isnt your brother or cousin.

TANKER answer the questions.

what is your question gold .

has for cleaning have never seen a path cleaned only in shopping centres if your paths are cleaned its a miracle .
I would do anything to get a job when I was young the uk is a filthy place council do not have enough man power so use the unemployed till they find a job
its has simple as that get them out of bed and sign on ever day and clock off .
perhaps then they will look for work .
the people who want a job would not object .

has for IDS some one had to take up the gauntlet it is ut of control benefits must be cut to no more a week than the old age pension max

hope that helps you gold

Pensioners got richer during recession, while young were hardest hit

A stark generation gap on jobs and earnings has opened up in recent years as “twenty somethings” were hit hardest by the recession but pensioners were protected from it.

In a report published today, the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) said that the income of young adults had fallen by much more than any other age group, and their employment rate had dropped while the proportion of older adults in work remained steady.

Although employment rates among young adults fell in previous recessions, the crucial difference this time was that in-work rates for other age groups were remarkably stable and that young adults were “the most acutely affected by some distance” by the very sharp falls in pay, said the IFS.



Meanwhile, the incomes of pensioners continued to grow and overtook those of working-age households in 2009–10 for the first time since records began in 1961. By 2012-13, pensioner incomes were 5 per cent higher, after being 5 per cent lower when the recession began.

The findings will increase the pressure on the Government to ensure a “fair recovery” in which young adults can “catch up”. Some Coalition ministers are worried about a backlash from younger voters at next year’s general election.

George Osborne, the Chancellor, wooed the “grey vote” in his March Budget with a shake-up of pensions and this group is much more likely to vote than young adults. The latest ComRes survey for The Independent shows that only one in four 18-24 year-olds and 41 per cent of 25-34 year-olds are “absolutely certain to vote” next year. In contrast, 52 per cent of 55-64 year-olds and 66 per cent of those aged 65 and over are “absolutely certain to vote.”

According to the IFS, between the 2007-8 and 2013-14 financial years, the mid-point on the household income scale of 22-30 year-olds fell by 13 per cent, while for 31-59 year-olds it dropped by only 7 per cent and for those aged 60 and over it remained steady.

The squeeze on the “twenty somethings” would have been even worse if more than a quarter of them did not still live with their parents – a proportion which has risen by 7 per cent since 2005-06. Those living at home saw their household income drop by 8 per cent; without their parents’ incomes, the fall would have been 17 per cent.

The employment rate for 22 to 30-year-olds fell by four percentage points, while remaining unchanged for 31 to 59-year-olds. Among those in work, real median pay (before tax) fell by 15 per cent among 22-30 year-olds, and by 6 per cent for 31- to 59-year-olds.

“Young adults have borne the brunt of the recession,” said Jonathan Cribb, a research economist at the IFS and an author of the report. “Pay, employment and incomes have all been hit hardest for those in their twenties. A crucial question is whether this difficult start will do lasting damage to their employment and earnings prospects”.

Chris Goulden, head of poverty research at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation, which funded the study, said: “Over the past year young people aged between 22 –30 in particular have fared the worst, seeing the sharpest rise of those now living in poverty. This is in contrast to pensioners, who the IFS say face relatively favourable conditions. The progress in reducing pensioner poverty shows what can be done with sustained effort - a principle that must apply across all age groups.”

The IFS said that home ownership among 25 year-olds has halved in 20 years: 21 per cent of those born in the mid-1980s owned a home at this age, compared with 34 per cent of those born in the mid-1970s cohort and 45 per cent in the mid-1960s.

For the population as a whole, the recession had different impacts across the UK. Comparing 2007–08 to 2009–10 with 2010–11 to 2012–13, real falls in median income range from 8 per cent in Northern Ireland to 2 per cent in the East Midlands. After housing costs, London saw the joint-biggest fall (with Northern Ireland). The IFS found no clear relationship across the country between pre-crisis income levels and income changes since the recession, saying there was no clear North-South divide.

Catherine McKinnell, a shadow Treasury minister, said: “While David Cameron denies there is a cost-of-living crisis these figures show people have seen a substantial fall in their income since 2010. It is worrying that the IFS expects child poverty – which fell when Labour was in government – to rise under the Tories.”

But an aide to Mr Osborne said: “This shows just how hard Labour's Great Recession hit young people and why it’s vital we keep working through our long term economic plan which is cutting the deficit, creating jobs and equipping people with the skills they need for the future".