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Referendum : to be in Europe or not to be ?, that is the question ! (REF)     

required field - 03 Feb 2016 10:00

Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

grannyboy - 11 Jul 2016 17:32 - 4429 of 12628

I know i shouldn't be encouraging it, and in all probability it will be against
the anti- bullying lobby's agenda....But i can't be the only one who would like
to give that Timmy Farron a good slapping...

Everytime he speaks his head goes down to one side and his weasle eyes dart
about looking to see if anyone's watching him, giving his body language the tell
tale sign he has something to hide.....

cynic - 11 Jul 2016 17:39 - 4430 of 12628

no idea what he even looks like

ExecLine - 11 Jul 2016 17:51 - 4431 of 12628

Well, as a supporter of my local MP, Andrea Leadsom, I'm also a big supporter of Theresa May, and have been for quite a number of minutes.

cynic - 11 Jul 2016 17:52 - 4432 of 12628

chuckle ..... what's TM done to impress you?

Haystack - 11 Jul 2016 18:00 - 4433 of 12628

She won, that's impressive and Leadsom wimped. Luckily she never had to face Putin or a crisis.

Martini - 11 Jul 2016 18:08 - 4434 of 12628

Well what a good day to be at the Palace of Westminster.

The news broke whilst we were in the Commons chamber and a palpable buzz went through the place.

Spotted a number of Conservative MPs looking very pleased with themselves.

A middle aged lady I was chatting to was wondering if she would still have to vote on the Leader now. She was a member of the Conservative Party. I said probably not, she gave me a slightly startled look when I told her I was a member of the Labour Party and was still hoping to get a vote for Labour leader.

Leadsom backed out, I understand, because she could not get enough support from Conservative MPs.

How quaint, how archaic. What we need is a new type of politics where Party leaders are actively hated by their colleagues. Roll on the vote for Labour's leader.

Haystack - 11 Jul 2016 18:12 - 4435 of 12628

There's no codger like an old codger.

Haystack - 11 Jul 2016 18:14 - 4436 of 12628

There is no end to it all. Owen Smith is going to stand for Lab leader. That could split the anti-Corbyn vote if Corbyn is allowed on the ballot. Are they all mad?

iturama - 11 Jul 2016 18:56 - 4437 of 12628

4430
Tim Farron

Tim-Farron-caricature-002.jpg?w=720&q=55

Haystack - 11 Jul 2016 19:01 - 4438 of 12628

There aren't many things that'll get one back to London unexpectedly. Listening to Cameron resigning is right up there though.

— Elizabeth Windsor (@Queen_UK) 11 July 2016

grannyboy - 11 Jul 2016 19:27 - 4439 of 12628

iturama(4437), very close resemblance, but the eyes need to be more
weasle like..

The ones in the sketch are of deep dark places, Farrons are furtive, sly
darting like...Can you get them to move by any chance, by using an hologram
or the like...;D)

Fred1new - 11 Jul 2016 20:43 - 4440 of 12628

I thought it was constructed from a self-portrait of It.

Haystack - 11 Jul 2016 22:13 - 4441 of 12628

More than 1,000 lawyers across the UK have signed a letter addressed to Prime Minister David Cameron insisting that last month's vote to leave the European Union is not legally binding.

In the open letter published in the Independent, barristers argued that the referendum result is merely "advisory" and that primary legislation will be required before Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty – the two-year process to take Britain out of the EU – can be triggered.

They recommended the creation of an independent committee to assess the benefits and risks of Brexit, citing evidence that the referendum result "was influenced by misrepresentations of fact and promises that could not be delivered".

More than 16 million Britons voted to remain in the EU, but were defeated 52% to 48% by the Leave camp.

The result has raised concerns that the UK economy could plunge into recession, as businesses hold off on investing in an uncertain climate.

There are also fears that Britain could break up, with both Scotland and Northern Ireland voting overwhelmingly to stay in the EU.

'Legislation needed'

"We believe that in order to trigger Article 50, there must first be primary legislation," the letter said.

"It is of the utmost importance that the legislative process is informed by an objective understanding as to the benefits, costs and risks of triggering Article 50.

"Since the result was only narrowly in favour of Brexit, it cannot be discounted that the misrepresentations and promises were a decisive or contributory factor in the result."

David Lammy, the MP for Tottenham, said Cameron's successor will have to secure the approval of parliament before formally beginning the process to exit the EU.

"I'm absolutely clear that in the best interests of my constituents and of the nation as a whole I will be voting against the invoking of Article 50 when it comes before parliament and I know that many of my colleagues share the same view," he told the Independent.

Earlier this month, former PM Tony Blair urged the government to delay triggering Article 50 because the "will of the people" could change.

He said the UK must keep its "options open", as some claims made by Brexit campaigners before the referendum had "collapsed".

grannyboy - 11 Jul 2016 22:51 - 4442 of 12628

Yes apparently these lawyers are from 'Lawyers in Europe', So no bias
there then, as to the letter, its in camerons 'out' tray..

All these 'remainer's' must think just by stamping their feet and shouting..

I WANT...I WANT...I WANT..And if we don't get it we're going to stamp and
scream, and won't put their bottom lip away until they do...

BLESS!!

Haystack - 11 Jul 2016 22:53 - 4443 of 12628

Of course. They are the lawyers on the gravy train.They have been the group that has benefited most from the EU.

grannyboy - 11 Jul 2016 22:54 - 4444 of 12628

Lammy was made to look a cnut on last weeks Andrew Neil's 'The week'
on the subject of the referendum.

required field - 12 Jul 2016 09:04 - 4445 of 12628

Well...it's TM for the job...it'll be tough.....wants to remain but has to lead out......not exactly an ideal situation !.....you can be certain it will mean brexit delays....(sounds like rail travel in this country).....

required field - 12 Jul 2016 10:16 - 4446 of 12628

Makes it easier for the Olympic photo-shoot......with the prime minister..; team GB turns into TM GB.....

mentor - 12 Jul 2016 15:59 - 4447 of 12628

The Irish not happy with Brexit, oh well complaint to Merkel then......

Irish Premier Warns Merkel That Ireland To Be Worst Affected By Brexit
Tue, 12th Jul 2016 14:47

BERLIN (Alliance News) - The island of Ireland would likely be worst affected by the British decision to leave the EU, Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny said after a meeting with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin on Tuesday.

The two leaders discussed the future of European integration, Britain's relationship with Europe after the Brexit as well as Ireland's "unique relationship" with Britain as the country's western neighbour and former colony.

"If Britain has access to the single market, then things will stay very much the same as they are. But that will come at a price," Kenny said, referring to the free movement of people without restriction, which is seen as a quid pro quo in the upcoming Brexit negotiations.

There were also many practical issues to consider for Ireland, Kenny said, pointing out that hundreds of thousands of Irish people living either side of the Irish Sea depended on the British economy for work.

It would be difficult to give an outcome at this stage, he added, but according to "predictive economic papers" Ireland would be the worst-affected country.

Regarding the peace process in Northern Ireland, Kenny said that a lengthy conflict between Catholics and Protestants had left "a very fragile legacy," and efforts to maintain peace and stability in the North had to continue.

"Peace can never be taken for granted," Kenny said. "This is why I keep reminding people of the value of the EU," which he considered as a "peace process in itself."

Merkel meanwhile emphasised the importance of Ireland's voice in the EU and its good relations with Germany. The 27 remaining EU member states would have to discuss the future of the union: "And here the Irish voice will be heard as well as all the others."

Haystack - 12 Jul 2016 18:35 - 4448 of 12628

Any captions?

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