Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

also this extract from 44471 was interesting ......
If you don’t like the law, vote in a government who will amend the law to your satisfaction

now it's a funny old life, but when almost exactly that argument was applied about people and companies legally avoiding tax, both you (sticky) and fos-fred jumped up and down with self-righteous indignation ..... a bit strange and hypocritical don't you think, not least because fos-fred is also steadfast in his refusal to vote at all?

Manuel.

An appointment for you is in your appropriate place the kitchen.

As it obvious you may know, unless you are parroting your betters a simple question may have a complex answer and it view of that you would seem likely to be unable to understand it!

I.e to do so for you would seem a waste of time. The latter I haven't got enough of.

I don't vote because I prefer not to and consider it at present to be my right under the present democratic system.

If you wish to change it, so be it, but consider your own position in so doing so.
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I don't consider the energy necessary to explain to you things which are probably beyond your comprehension, at any time, especially on a balmy night in the Dordogne, while explaining the differences between tactics and strategy to my grandchild, who is beating me at chess, while being amused by enquiring into the family history of his antecedents.

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The responses are adequate to you obtuse question are satisfactory for me, if you don't like them, so be it.


Perhaps, you should concentrate on the world's public response to Israeli's Putin's responses to the Gaza problems.

Have nice dreams.

Ohhhhhhhh come off it Cyners , lets face it all this leads back to that debate....... OK TANKER and I kicked your ass, so what........ your still a great person a chap I think is worth a awfull lot as an individual. (and others nearly all the board think that)

At times we all get creamed, so what.

Lighten up im still your best pal.

Please just dont DEMAND this and that, its not the thing to do.

So come on now and stop being bloody silly.

AND, ps, if Fred did the same Id be kicking his balls.

BOTH OF YOU LETS HAVE A WEEKEND STAND OFF.

i think fos-fred is a total arsehole and i know the feeling is mutual, but hence why i almost never bother to read his posts

Labour fears brain drain with 15% of MPs ready to quit

Doubts about Ed Miliband's leadership are said to be driving an exodus in the runup to next year's general election



Daniel Boffey, Observer policy editor


The Observer, Saturday 9 August 2014 19.19 BST



Former Scotland secretary Jim Murphy is believed to be considering quitting as an MP. Photograph: Danny Lawson/PA


More than 15% of Ed Miliband's MPs are set to quit parliament before the next election, raising fears among senior Labour figures of a "brain drain". Thirty Labour MPs – 15 with ministerial experience – have announced that they are leaving, despite polls suggesting that the party will form the next government.

A senior Labour party source said it expected at least 10 more of its MPs to stand down before the election, pushing the proportion of those leaving to 15.5% of the parliamentary party. Before Labour came to power in 1997 under Tony Blair, only 8% of the party's MPs quit. A source said: "There's not enough excitement about Ed. Some worry about him losing the general election, and some worry about him winning it."



More: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/09/labour-fears-brain-drain-mps-quit

Cynic is right about Fred , there are only about 2 to 3 posters on here that don't think he is a arsehole , goldfinger and Stan and one other

Manuel,

You are, as well as doddery, becoming more and more inconsistent.

Claiming you never bothering to read other peoples post, finding any other than your own opinions boring and yet quoting from post written by those who bore you.

Eg, post 44771 when you quote the last sentence verbatim.

I suppose some individuals decline fast than others.

But I think some of the decline is due to your, Hazy One's and some of your cahoots' panicking at the thought of a Labour government with a massive majority after the next election.
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Maxk,

Perhaps, after the lousy lying leadership of PR stuntmen Blair and Cameron we would benefit from a more mundane form of government with policies discussed and decided by cabinet decisions rather than the shooting blanks from the hips by the likes of Cameron and Boris who rely on burnt out sycophants for their support.

Charisma is one of the last things we need at the moment.
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Mind every theatre needs a clown and the Boris would fill that role at the Palace of Westminster perfectly, perhaps with Manuel as Widow Twankey or a butler.

Manuel,

You are, as well as doddery, becoming more and more inconsistent.

Claiming you never bothering to read other peoples post, finding any other than your own opinions boring and yet quoting from post written by those who bore you.

Eg, post 44771 when you quote the last sentence verbatim.

I suppose some individuals decline fast than others.

But I think some of the decline is due to your, Hazy One's and some of your cahoots' panicking at the thought of a Labour government with a massive majority after the next election.
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Maxk,

Perhaps, after the lousy lying leadership of PR stuntmen Blair and Cameron we would benefit from a more mundane form of government with policies discussed and decided by cabinet decisions rather than the shooting blanks from the hips by the likes of Cameron and Boris who rely on burnt out sycophants for their support.

Charisma is one of the last things we need at the moment.
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Mind every theatre needs a clown and the Boris would fill that role at the Palace of Westminster perfectly, perhaps with Manuel as Widow Twankey or a butler.

Max,

By the way, what are the names of the retiring labour MPs and how old are they?

How many of the present Con party member's of the present motley crew will stand down or not be elected?

For Exec and camarades,

True.

We do want the best players on the field.

However, there's nothing wrong with it. But there is if you have a 'lefty' point of view about things all the time, which is 'anti' any kind of competitiveness.

Boris will keep Cameron on his toes for sure. Cameron will therefore try harder to do a better job. Hopefully, we will benefit from it.

The next thing I would like to see our government do is to fight ISIS with 'as much as we can muster and a lot more besides' and try to destroy it.

Does the board think that UK (and USA) should stop all arms exports to Israel?

The knee-jerk reaction "of course we should" is, i think, far too simplistic a response, and probably the wrong one.
why?
because iran and syria and no doubt a few others would be hollering and cheering at the thought of a weakened israel, and thus encourage them and their embedded fundamentalist cliques to be even more aggressive within the region.
peace in the region is the last thing they want.

as always, it's never as simple as it looks on the surface

I think:

The Palestinians made a mistake voting in Hamas.

Hamas don't mind sacrificing women and children as they actively and recklessly persist in their war with Israel.

The Palestinians have a blood good cause because Israel isn't treating them at all fairly.

The Palestinian casualty rate is unacceptable to the rest of the world who are viewing this war.

Israel have excellent defences and thus have the least amount of casualties by far. The Palestinian defences are crap in comparison. Because of this Israel really did ought to be the most proactive in stopping the fighting, which can ultimately only be stopped by talking and negotiation.

I can see how the Palestinians feel they have such a bad position and state of affairs and are being so badly treated by Israel, that they would rather die for their cause than stop fighting.

I see we have a 'circle of events' which needs breaking to achieve a result and get both sides talking to each other. It would need breaking from outside with help from some other country..... Egypt? USA?

I think Israel is the side which needs to change its actions the most.

Yeah. Let's assist that situation by stopping selling arms to Israel. Let's further assist it by us stopping the purchase of Israeli produce. It 'makes a statement'.

And once Israel start treating the Palestinians a little better and more fairly, then we could resume our sales of arms (and purchases of produce) so as to maintain a peace keeping balance with Iran and Syria.

Islamic fundamentalists seem to be increasing in numbers and growing in power. I think we should beef up our military strength massively because it looks like we are really going to need it for defensive purposes very soon.

yes - an embargo on israeli produce certainly makes a strong point, especially if the supermarkets were brave enough to advertise that stance - fat chance

an embargo on arms exports to israel, even though it would be circumvented for sure, is probably far too dangerous due to the knock-on effects in the region in general

of course, the real problem at the heart of it is israel's appalling treatment of the palestinians and the unwillingness of israel (and indeed hamas) to even contemplate the construction of a meaningful peaceful solution
de facto, i'm sure that would mean the creation (somehow) of a separate palestinian state
however, that will be anathema to far too many israelis as it will undoubtedly mean them surrendering a chunk of the land they have expropriated over the years, even if in doing so, it does not materially affect israel's own security

Israel would far rather annihilate the Palestinians than give them land.

The Palestinians would rather be annihilated than give in to Israel because they have been so badly treated by them.

This is the circle which needs breaking.

I wonder what things will be like in this part of the world in another 40 years or so.

it would be a start if israel started treating the palestinians like human beings ..... such short memories they have and it sickens me

the longer term solution may appear through some scenario, perhpas water or fundamentalist (isis) related, wherein my enemy's enemy is now my friend

Baroness Warsi turns on 'public school' Tories



Former minister addresses conflict between party funding and Cameron's inaction on Gaza




Oliver Wright

WHITEHALL EDITOR


Sunday 10 August 2014


Britain's first Muslim cabinet minister launches a scathing attack today on the "public school" Tories around David Cameron who have dismissed her for years as "a brown, working-class woman not good enough" to serve in government.

In her first newspaper interview since resigning over Britain's "morally indefensible" stance on Gaza, Baroness Warsi also turns on George Osborne and Michael Gove for failing to use their "very, very close" relationship with the Israeli leadership to push for an end to the conflict. And she warns that the "electoral reality" is that the Conservatives will not win a majority at the next election unless the party starts attracting more ethnic minority voters. "We've probably left it a little too late to take this part of the electorate seriously," she says.



More: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/baroness-warsi-turns-on-public-school-tories-9659495.html

because iran and syria and no doubt a few others would be hollering and cheering at the thought of a weakened israel, and thus encourage them and their embedded fundamentalist cliques to be even more aggressive within the region.
peace in the region is the last thing they want.


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Um,

Are they anymore fundamentalist than the present Israeli government preyed upon by the Zionists?

What are the stimuli which lead individuals to extremist beliefs and their subsequent actions?

How do you counter them?