Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Haze,

You are retired and belong in the past.

Your views don't coincide with many others of Miliband.

Many find him sensible, intelligent and that he considers policies with his “shadow cabinet”, rather than writing them down a back of a fag paper like Cameron does, expecting his sycophantic cabinet spout his mantra like a publicity stunt.

The problem Cameron increasingly has is that the public and his party are realising that the "bright ideas" spouted yesterday by the cons has already been changed by the time they have been broadcast and distrust Cameron and henchmen more and more.

Cameron is stunted and his immaturity is showing more and more with his passionate, caring, posturing appearing more and more false.

There is going to be a back-lash to him Osborne and IDS who are seen as the representatives of the present tory party.

Miliband, not the most charismatic of leaders, neither was Attlee, but the latter was thoughtful and controlled his party, as is Miliband

His policies generally seem to be made in a consensually manner and reflect the needs and views of society as whole.


He doesn't have to huff and puff, he comes over as sensible and I expect he will modify his speech making, making his delivery more dynamic or vibrant, without losing his sincerity as the GE comes near. There is no hurry while Cameron continues to shoot himself in the foot.

However, he has to overcome the vicious right wing press, (who have appear to some to have bought the Con party, possibly in the hope for future favours), who are attempting to besmirch him and his colleagues.

However, I would certainly think that Miliband and colleagues and advisors around him are looking and examining the crass stupidity of the present government administration in many of it policies and decision making, in order not to make similar mistakes.

The public outside London have been disgruntled, dissatisfied and demoralised by the policies and actions of the present government and realising they have be sold a "pup".

They are beginning to re-organise and express their frustrations.

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I think, that some of the labour party in Scotland may go for the smaller and more "left wing" (social democratic) parties when they vote at the G.E,. However, if necessary they would probably unite with Labour to form a coalition government for the UK, in order to see the back of the tory regime and introduce the necessary reforms of the UK "governing" system and its "financing" are necessary.

But the changes have to be thought out, rather than rammed through for party political gain as being attempted by Cameron’s little reactionary tory englanders in order to keep themselves in power.

Also, I think that Cameron knew he could not deliver what he promised and signed up to, and was lying deliberately, or else he is a bigger fool than many suspected.

Millibum puts his foot in it......



Self-government for England lights a fire under Labour Party

Ed Miliband looks like going into a general election with an untenable position on Scottish MPs voting at Westminster







By Iain Martin

7:05AM BST 21 Sep 2014




In the early hours of Friday morning, Scottish Labour was in a mood to party. To the fore of the Better Together audience gathered in the ballroom of a Glasgow hotel were many of the Labour activists and strategists who had thrown everything into persuading Scots not to break up the United Kingdom. Although Glasgow had voted Yes, most of the rest of the results showed that the voters had made a clear decision to stick with the Union. Alistair Darling, the leader of Better Together, gave a conciliatory speech to the assembled throng when it became clear that No had officially crossed the winning line. The wine flowed and spirits soared.


After Friday’s party, here comes the hangover. Labour activists and MPs turn up in Manchester today for their annual conference facing a constitutional crisis.


What should be a pre-election rally, with the party’s leader Ed Miliband getting airtime on questions such as the economy and the health service, looks likely to be overshadowed by a bitter row about proper representation for England. Although Scotland voted No to full independence, the devolved Parliament in Edinburgh will get a range of new powers. In return, and after so much concentration on Scotland, English Tory MPs in particular are asking: what about some justice for England?


While Scotland has its own Parliament, its MPs still get to vote on laws that only affect England. This is what is known as the West Lothian Question, which was popularised by the veteran Labour figure Tam Dalyell in the 1970s and first coined by Enoch Powell. How could it be right, they asked, that under devolution a voter in West Lothian would elect an MP who would get to vote on English laws when English MPs had no say on Scottish laws?


In the wake of Thursday’s historic referendum, David Cameron has already proposed a bar on Scottish MPs voting on English laws at Westminster, with MPs from outside England restricted to voting on matters of common concern, such as foreign affairs.



Long-ish article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11110733/Self-government-for-England-lights-a-fire-under-Labour-Party.html

Just look at Hays over the last few days like a big kid with candy.

His and the Tories only way of getting back into power is to cheat their way there.

It seems that its ingrained in them, they have to win at any cost and if they cant do it legit do it by cheating.

Well Hays I have news for you , you havent a chance of getting away with what you want.

Wouldnt suprise me if thier were riots in Scotland and here in England and we all know who to blame for that ......CAMORON.

Update - Labour lead at 5
by YouGov in Politics
Sun September 21, 2014 6 a.m. BST

Latest YouGov / Sunday Times results 19th Sept - Con 31%, Lab 36%, LD 7%, UKIP 16%;

What would happen gf, if you took out the jock component from that YG survey?

His silence Max speaks volumes :0) Labour are Donald Ducked!

No they arent no way will cameron get away with what he wants, dont forget the Lib/Dems stand to lose big time aswel so they would vote with labour and then its you tory boys who are clucked and especially camoron, but this just goes to show how you tories have to cheat at any and every opportunity.

The electorate are not lost on this point either. Theirs a lot of ill feeling toward s the tories at the moment.

LOL!!!

The ill feeling is in Scotland and nobody cares what the Scots think. Overall the Libs would do better in an English only election. A federal UK has been a long term Lib policy anyway. The polls show that the electorate in England is right behind Cameron on this one. It is around 70/30 against non English MPs voting on English laws.

Dreaming again Hays what drugs are you on.

If the electorate are right behind Camoron why have labour an increased 5 point lead today from a 2 point lead on thursday. !!!!!!!!

Again and again hays you make it up as you go on.

The Labour party has internal problems as well because many Lab MPs also believe Scottish MPs should not vote on English laws. This is going to ruin their party conference (last one before the election).

Leicester 5 FIVE!!!! Money bags Ushited 3

Not a good week for the REDS :0)

gf
The polls go up and down all the time. It will be more interesting to see what the polls say after the dust settles.

But "trading laws" on "trades" between Scotland and England will effect both sides of the said "devolution".

At present more Devolution is a non-runner unless drawn up carefully.

You can't keep an integrated UK with multiple taxation systems and responsibilities carried out in different manners for different areas. Those areas providing various services to their public at different standards.

If Scotland had voted YES then they would have been in charge of their own Tax raising, defining where the cash would go as and entity.

The ideas Cameron seems to "bribing" his back benchers and bankers are laughable!

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I wonder if he is on any medication!

Some utter rubbish being spouted on this thread about the Scots by posters who don't have a clue. There will not be rioting in Scotland and it's because Cameron cares about what the Scots think that he came up with the last minute 'bribe' in an effort to swing the vote !

Well thats strange because thier as been rioting in Glasgow according to the National press. Yes your right doodles you dont have a clue.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/glasgow-riots-footage-shows-yes-and-no-voters-in-running-street-battles-in-disorder-after-prounion-rally-9745771.html

Clutching at straws again. That report was about a punch up on Friday night in Glasgow after the referendum. Both sides had been drinking heavily. There has been no trouble since. Nothing to riot about.

as is usual none of you has any idea at all of the final effect of this referendum .... nor indeed do any of the so-called experts, which is not an epithet that can be remotely applied to any of you guys