Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Cynic,

Inform us of deliberations base on you use of your vast intellect and knowledge what you consider would be the answer to your own question.

You appear to be longing to do so, or at least denigrate anybody who has a presents a different opinion to yourself.

No stop dribbling try to put some "thoughts" together, nurse will be around shortly to help you and Tanker.

as usual fred, you're only interested in soap-box polemic and raving and just duck from answering a straightforward question relating to a complex situation

Come on you old reactionary, stop dribbling and post you views.

We won't all laugh at the same time!

Ask nurse for help, when you need to.

in my opinion, ISIS is a very real and potent threat to stability throughout M/E, and thus to general world stability

i see no saving graces at all to this bunch of blood-seeking lunatics who have hi-jacked Islam and totally distorted the writings of the koran for their own ends
that they are clearly very well funded, almost certainly through fundamentalist elements in saudi and qatar, makes them even more scary

given ISIS's short but very violent history, i think they are far too dangerous to be left to their own devices

so in conclusion, yes i do think we should join with the amis (who seem to be trying to build an even wider coalition) in airstrikes

i shall have to reserve opinion on subsequent overt boots on the ground, but worry that i am just ducking a tough decision

I have a good idea , why don't we let them have an Islamic state if they let all those who are held by them go free. Then when all those who support them go to live there, we will have them all together in one spot, ready for us to surround them with a ground force army and bomb them, then move in for the kill

Yes ok, lets get boots on the ground.

That will sort it in no time!

Just look at the allies impressive track record in Iraq and Afghanland.

No brainer!

MaxK

Not the allies , just the American cowboys led by Bush and Donald Rumsfeld

sad that one can't get a sensible discussion here

Wasnt that bad Max it was the withdrawal policy and training that didnt appear good enough.

Never mind cynic, you will be glued to the Ryder Cup action soon. 'Cmon Europe !:-)

of course
glad i have a tele in my office :-)

GF,

Cynic means Abused Men in Scotland (AMIS).

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"this bunch of blood-seeking lunatics who have hi-jacked Islam and totally distorted the writings of the koran for their own ends"


sounds like what the Con party is doing in this country with more apposite substitution of words for Islam and koran!

yet another stupid response, but what else can one expect from that source

Hell,

I was trying to get down to your level!

I was also pointing out to you that you language referring ot ISIS as blood seeking lunatics is less than helpful and probably not true.

They could be psychopathic from you standards, but unfortunately are fighting with the weapons at their hands.

Bombing Iraq from 50,000 feet and accepting collateral damage is just as barbaric as chopping the head off your enemy.

Using Depleted Uranium - in Dirty Bombs and leaving them scattered over the soil of Iraq so that they can later be associated birth to malformations , Leukaemia and later genetic abnormalities for future generation, is not what many hope for from a civilized countries like the UK and USA.

The only thing is the media make the beheading gruesome while they skate over the true price of war.

I am not a pacifist but I don't delude myself about the consequences of winning a war.

The question you ask is complex, that is why there is so much hesitation by Obama, bombing will not solve the problem by itself and feet on the ground will be necessary and Assad and cronies need removal.

But the majority of the feet on the ground and ongoing administration in the hands of countries in the immediate area.

But before it is done the "arguments" should be placed before the United Nation and that is another reason for reviewing the UN and strengthening and disposing of the right to veto.

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Now, listen to nurse and tuck yourself up in bed again.

yet again, you avoid giving a direct answer to the question asked, though as the ex civil servant that i suspect you are, it was no doubt the sort of training you were given


so let's try again shall we? ...... yes or no will pretty much suffice in both instances

should uk join with usa in air strikes against both syria and iraq to start destroying isil?
in the likelihood that this will not succeed in itself, should we agree to put troops on the ground?

Ed hasn't even convinced the faithful

http://order-order.com/2014/09/24/labour-supporting-columnists-have-their-say-on-eds-speech/?utm_source=Guy+Fawkes%27+Blog+List&utm_campaign=0bf5acea7e-happy+hour&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_547885726c-0bf5acea7e-229951757

http://order-order.com/2014/09/24/disabled-delegates-at-miliband-speech-forced-to-leave-front-row-seats/?utm_source=Guy+Fawkes%27+Blog+List&utm_campaign=0bf5acea7e-happy+hour&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_547885726c-0bf5acea7e-229951757


Labour bosses are facing allegations that they ejected disabled delegates from their front row seats before Ed Miliband’s speech yesterday to make way for more telegenic members. Bernadette Horton, who walks with a crutch, reportedly tripped and fell as she was moved from her chair. Bernadette told the Morning Star she was told by stewards the seats were for disabled attendees, but was made to leave anyway to make way for “bright young things” to shake Miliband’s hand:

“As I was going up the stairs I just lost my footing and fell. I was really upset and shaken. The people in suits saw this but didn’t say anything. I said ‘if you’re Labour you should be ashamed. We’re like pariahs in our own party. It has to stop.”

Manuel,

Re-read what I posted and then ask nurse for another tranquilizer!

READ AND WEEP HAYS...... from the TORY side..........

Labour Party's tax and benefit proposals a hit with voters
by William Jordan in Front Page and Politics
Wed September 24, 2014 9:55 a.m. BST

YouGov finds support for several new Labour policies across the political spectrum A day after Labour leader Ed Miliband’s 68-minute speech, many commentators have turned their attention he didn’t mention, rather than what he did. However, Labour did propose a number of new policies at the conference that will likely ...
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http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/09/24/labour-tax-benefit-policies-hit-with-voters/

Ive got a big cheesy grin on my face Hays......he he.