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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 17:21 - 4674 of 6906

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/patrick-cockburn-israel-may-have-squandered-its-last-best-chance-for-peace-2252292.html

Trouble coming Israel's way!

From today.

"No wonder the Israeli establishment was aghast as it watched Mubarak being gradually forced from power. Israeli leaders bad-mouthed Barack Obama for not supporting the Egyptian leader more effectively."

"The Jerusalem bombing and the increased violence in Gaza are not in themselves going to produce a new crisis, but they are a reminder that the Israeli-Palestinian struggle remains at the centre of Middle East politics. So far, there is no sign that Israeli leaders have much idea about how to cope with the swirling political currents that are reshaping the region in which they live. Amid all the optimism about the spread of democracy the, struggle retains its capacity to return the region to conflict and war."

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 17:34 - 4675 of 6906

Do you know that an Asian worker is suspected of the murder of the Fogel settler family. Mr. Fogel refused to pay 10,000 shekels in wages which he owed an Asian worker he hired. The worker threatened to kill the settler and his family.

The worker is suspected of committing the crime after midnight Friday using a knife then fleeing the scene. Israeli army knows of the information leading to the suspect but refuse to announce or deal with it.

The story of Palestinians celebrating and handing out sweets came from Fox News. The story has been contradicted even by Israeli charities.

It looks increasingly like people may have been too quick to condemn. I have only seen Palestinians condemning the killings.

It doesn't sound like the type of thing Palestinians would do anyway.

In The Land of the B - 25 Mar 2011 17:59 - 4676 of 6906

They have done it before !
Of course that does not prove they did it this time. We shall see, I have no special knowledge. If a Palestinian is convicted of the crime no doubt the parrot will say the evidence was concocted against him LOL. If someone else is convicted then so be it. Like British courts, Israeli courts usually get it right but by no means all the time.


The killings were condemned by the PA Prime Minister. Fayyad is a man of peace, not violence and hatred like the parrot and his Hamas friends.
Fayyad is pursuing a state by political and diplomatic means and I for one - and very many other Israelis - hope he achieves that aim. Under his influence the West Bank economy grew by 8% last year.

Eventually peace between Israel and the Palestinians will come, though I don't see it under Netanyahu. It's a shame Livni didn't form the government. The extreme right (yes they are in all countries) backed Netanyahu although he received fewer votes.
One of Israel's problems is their pure system of proportional representation.

In the meantime, parrot, you can pray and scream and lie and want Israel destroyed all you want. It's not going to happen LOL

You should try understanding and tolerance and peace and objectivity, parrot.
Then maybe your views might have some validity.
Until then you are merely a joke, an ignorant, boring copy and paste joke.

Fred1new - 25 Mar 2011 18:32 - 4677 of 6906

Hays,

I don't want anti-Israeli forces or political pressure.

What I would like to see is honest ongoing negotiations for a peaceful and realistic settlements with cessation of the ongoing Israeli abuses.

What I would like is to see unbiased arbitration to get a decent settlement for all parties, but unfortunately the present Israeli leadership in unable to negotiate honestly or respectfully with the Palestinians.

Difficult, but I think the sand in the egg timer is running out for a peaceful lasting settlement.

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 18:33 - 4678 of 6906

"They have done it before !"

And settlers have killed Palestinians before as well. And settlers have killed other settlers as well.

There will be no peace between Israel and the Palestinians until Israel changes its attitude and rights some of the many wrongs done to Palestians.

Fayyad is not legally the Prime Minister anyway. The Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh is the legally elected Prime Minister. In 2007 President Mahmoud Abbas dismissed Haniyeh and appointed Fayyad as Prime Minster. This is not legally valid as Abbas has no such powers. The result is that now Palestine has two 'Prime Minsters', only one of whom is legally valid.

Abbas and Fayyad are quite a pair. Abbas is a president whose term in office expired several years ago (he was only made President as a temporary measure as part of the Oslo accord). Fayyad only received 2% of the vote and had to be 'appointed' illegally by Abbas.

Abbas is in power because George W. Bush and Condaleeza Rice told him to stay, even though his term in office had expired.

Fayyad, who ran in the January 2006 parliamentary election at the head of the Third Way list, won only two seats. His number two, Hanan Ashrawi, has since abandoned him, making him the head of a one-man party.

Abbas was forced to appoint Fayyad as prime minister only because of pressure from the Americans and Europeans, who threatened to suspend financial aid to the Palestinian Authority if the Palestinian president failed to comply.

Fayyad's government was never approved by the Palestinian parliament, known as the Palestinian Legislative Council, as required by the Palestinian Basic Law.

Any agreement Abbas and Fayyad bring back home will be seen by many Palestinians as the fruit of "extortion" and "threats" and not as the result of peace talks that were conducted in good faith.

Don't pin you hopes on Fayyad as he is a US puppet.

Fred1new - 25 Mar 2011 18:34 - 4679 of 6906

Ongoing bloodshed, other than drawing attention to the confrontation, is of no use to anyone.

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 18:40 - 4680 of 6906

I suspect that Hamas may be trying to up the stakes by goading Israel into violence (a very easy thing to do). The intention may be to focus the attention of other nearby countries more strongly onto Gaza. Not a bad strategy if it is true.

Fred1new - 25 Mar 2011 19:14 - 4681 of 6906

Not for the families who lose a relative.

But, sadly, it is all relative.

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 22:22 - 4682 of 6906

Dr. Nabil Al-Arabi, The Egyptian foreign minister, has warned Thursday the Israeli occupation authorities not to attempt to repeat the adventure in Gaza Strip, stressing that any Israeli military escalation against Gaza people will be unacceptable, sources in Egypt reported.

Arabi made his remarks during a meeting with Ravi Barak, the director-general of the Israeli foreign ministry, during his visit to Cairo Thursday, the sources said, adding that Arabi made it clear to Barak that any Israeli aggression on the densely populated Strip would produce counterproductive repercussions on the entire region.

Arabi also criticized Israeli policies towards the Palestinians, especially the threats being made by high ranking Israeli military officers to carry out another military aggression on the Strip dubbing it Cast Lead 2.

He also lashed out at remarks uttered by Amos Gilad, the head of the political and security department in the Israeli war ministry, who said that the peace treaty between Israel and Egypt won't last, explaining that the Israeli aggression towards Palestinian civilians and the wrong Israeli policies against the Palestinian people would destroy the entire peace process.

In The Land of the B - 25 Mar 2011 23:30 - 4683 of 6906

Are you trying to convince yourself, parrot? LOL
Do you enjoy sitting on Fred's shoulder?
At least he can come up with his own ideas, however warped.
This is of course why you spend your life copying and pasting. You can't think for yourself so you search for propaganda to regurgitate.
People like you are what is wrong in the world.
Hatred, intolerance, only seeing one side, refusing to be objective, spouting war war war demanding other countries should be wiped out.
The real dregs of humanity.
Heil hay crapper

In The Land of the B - 25 Mar 2011 23:37 - 4684 of 6906

Go on, off you go to Gaza you armchair hate monger.
All mouth. Do something. Be a shahid.
Convert to Islam first otherwise you won't get those 76 virgins LOL
I suppose you think that poor Christian British missionary who was murdered yesterday in Jerusalem plus all the people maimed and wounded "deserved" it.
You are a sick piece of work.

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 23:41 - 4685 of 6906

I can indeed only see one side. The side I see is Israel being expansionist in the same manner that Hitler adopted the Lebensraum concept of colonialism and turned it into colonialism within Europe to provide living space for the growing German race. The 'inferior' races were to be resettled in the manner in which Israel ressettles the Palestinians.

In The Land of the B - 25 Mar 2011 23:43 - 4686 of 6906

I suppose that is why 1.27 million Arabs live in Israel.
You really are a moron LOL

In The Land of the B - 25 Mar 2011 23:45 - 4687 of 6906

I suppose that is why peace with Egypt resulted in Israel giving back the entire Sinai, because Israel wanted more land.
You really are a moron LOL

Haystack - 25 Mar 2011 23:59 - 4688 of 6906

Israel is 75% Jewish - that's about 6m. Before Israel existed it was Arabs/Jews in to ratio of 3 to 1. Now the ratio is reversed. 850 000 Palestinians were living in the area that the UN designated to be Israel in 1948. By the winter of 1949 there were only 160,000. Since then Israel has taken more and more of the Palestinians land and seems intent on taking the whole of the West Bank.

Israel gave back the Sinai to get peace. It was Egypt's land anyway so it wasn't exactly a gift.

fahel - 26 Mar 2011 08:52 - 4689 of 6906

Israel, Palestine, Recent Murders, Castlead II - Michael Rivero 2011-03-24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RgPk6t9N_A

fahel - 26 Mar 2011 08:52 - 4690 of 6906

Israel, Palestine, Recent Murders, Castlead II - Michael Rivero 2011-03-24
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RgPk6t9N_A

Haystack - 26 Mar 2011 12:13 - 4691 of 6906

A very interesting video and a good description of how Israel is behaving.

fahel - 27 Mar 2011 20:18 - 4692 of 6906

Yes indeed, it answers all itlob queries.

yuff - 28 Mar 2011 10:50 - 4693 of 6906

What a surprise that facist Hay agrees with rabid antisemite fahel LOL!!!

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