Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

It’s all stalling tactics. The Conservatives in the government know that, if the true extent of the deaths becomes clear, the game will be up for them.

After all, who in their right mind would want to vote back into office an organisation that had just caused the deaths of anything up to or beyond 50,000* of their fellow citizens? Nobody would be safe under such a government.

I think Goldfinger's got the Secretary.

Work till you drop.....



Retirement age to rise by as much as six months per year

The pensions minister, Steve Webb, says Britons must accept dramatically longer working lives to avoid a health care funding crisis



By Peter Dominiczak, Steven Swinford, Katie Morley and Dan Hyde

10:08PM BST 06 Oct 2014




Older people will be encouraged to work longer under a Government plan to increase the average retirement age by six months every year.


Ministers believe that the retirement age needs to increase dramatically to reflect Britain’s ageing population and to avoid a health care crisis.


The average age of retirement is 64.7 for men and 63.1 for women. The Department for Work and Pensions said in its business plan that it would like the average to rise by as much as six months every year.


The number of over-65s in England is expected to increase by 51 per cent over the next 20 years, and the numbers of those aged 85 and above will double by 2030. Ministers accept that the trend will hugely increase the costs to the NHS, elderly care and state pensions systems.


Steve Webb, the Liberal Democrat pensions minister, admitted that the target was “ambitious” but said the retirement age had already been rising for women.



More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/pensions/11144991/Retirement-age-to-rise-by-as-much-as-six-months-per-year.html

Think thats stupid. Whilst at 6th form the Economics teacher repeatedly used to point out how we would retire a lot younger and earlier.

It all because the Tories have redistributed the wealth into far fewer hands and as a consequence, young kids cant get jobs as older people have to stay on at work longer to make ends meet.

Fred : If it is a "psychological problem" needing time,

So how much time does your doctor give you for your psychological problem's ?

while i certainly have a great deal of sympathy for young kids in finding employment, i also feel that all too often they won't roll their sleeves up and take (relatively) menial jobs whereas the poles (for example) who have come over here often work all hours at all sorts of things, and very often do quite well for themselves

The mansion tax will raise well over 2 billion so that will go to the NHS, people wont have to work longer like these daft proposals from the Tories.

Older people will then be able to enjoy there remaining years on earth and not have to work themselves into the ground, we have the very best young hard working people in the World, just look at the Exam results that have been produced under the Tory administration, jesus these youngsters must have worked so hard to get them top grades.

Im so proud of them.

depends on what basis it might be raised
if a graduated tax like income tax, which is what you supported a couple of weeks back, will it raise as much as you say and if so, at what rate do you propose it should be raised

The working longer thingy sounds ok, if for example you work in an air conditioned office shuffling paper.

Try telling someone on the tools that they have to work till they are 67, and they'll laugh at you, or clump you one.

exam grades
don't make me laugh
it is patently obvious even to the blind that exam questions have been dumbed down since the old A-level was dumped

Spot on Max re to manual work but dont forget thiers only so much you can do before you start to produce falling negative performance in the office aswel.

actually, i feel seriously sorry for the teachers, who now have few weapons to deploy against unruly children
apart from anything else, these children take up a disproportionate amount of time and effort to the distinct detriment of those who actually want to learn

i also think (suspect) that many teachers have set too low aspirations and targets for their pupils, though this is scarcely helped by the lack of parental control and discipline and similar in the home

so young sticky, do you leave it to the individual as to when (s)he should retire, or should the employer have the last word?

Manuel,

You were referring to middle east in one of your rambling posts.

Get somebody to keep you awake and have a look at this HardTalk interview.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04knjl4/hardtalk-general-lord-richards-chief-of-the-defence-staff-british-armed-forces-201013


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Gf,

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I can remember how the "new technological age" was heralded by the politicians and the media.

The advances in industrial engineering.

The reduction is heavy manual work and hours needed to accomplish "projects".

That was the 50s-60s-70s and so on.

I do not see why work is so lauded by many, who wouldn't know whats a many "manual worker's" day actually consist of, or the "miserable forms of work" of some of those in the "lower strata" of society.

More often than not those who lord it over others owe their "positions",or own standard of living, more to inherited wealth or the opportunity is availed them than their ability.

The other thing is, while I can see the necessity to "provide" for lean years by producing more than immediately necessary when conditions are favourable, overproduction especially of "glitter" or "marketable goods produce which have no intrinsic value in themselves" and are produced to gain a monetary advantage seem a daft driver of an "economy". It seems to only to increase the greed and consequential divisions of a society.

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Is that understandable?

What I am saying simply is the Etonian type cabal wish who they see as less desirable to work longer for less in order to fill they pockets more!

Stand in line all of you, and show respect to your leaders!

you really do post a load of tripe at times
makes my stuff look like prime sirloin

Very Fred.

Theirs a one or two on this thread aswel who have all had it handed down on a plate to them.

If they had to go out on Building Sites like I have in the past 10 years not as a manual worker but part of the management team just to direct things in freezing cold blustering pis-ing it down weather they would know about it.
No chance of getting to 60 never mind 65 in those type of jobs.

And your second point yep consumables which are supposed to enrich ones life but a dammed good book would be far better and a fraction of the cost.

To me knowledge is far superior than material effects.

This age of the X factor, strictly, Gay chat hosts (nothing against Gays its supposed to be fashion) 3 for 2 at the supermarket etc etc is superficial carp to me.

you and your bloody carp
don't you fish for anything else! :-)

gf--- There are some on this thread who have been handed sweet f a, and have worked hard to achieve their goals.
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True George me included. I had to go to school in wellingtons in the summer for 5 years my family were that poor. But my father was in full time work and had a good manual job as a pattern maker.

The point im trying to make is that their is one or two on this thread who havent had to scrape by and have no idea how hard it is for some of the poor especially today.

They associate them with SKY TV, Cigs, drinking beer and drugs which couldnt be further from the truth for most poor people. They listen to silly documentaries on TV and read right wing clap trap in the news papers.