Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

depends on what basis it might be raised
if a graduated tax like income tax, which is what you supported a couple of weeks back, will it raise as much as you say and if so, at what rate do you propose it should be raised

The working longer thingy sounds ok, if for example you work in an air conditioned office shuffling paper.

Try telling someone on the tools that they have to work till they are 67, and they'll laugh at you, or clump you one.

exam grades
don't make me laugh
it is patently obvious even to the blind that exam questions have been dumbed down since the old A-level was dumped

Spot on Max re to manual work but dont forget thiers only so much you can do before you start to produce falling negative performance in the office aswel.

actually, i feel seriously sorry for the teachers, who now have few weapons to deploy against unruly children
apart from anything else, these children take up a disproportionate amount of time and effort to the distinct detriment of those who actually want to learn

i also think (suspect) that many teachers have set too low aspirations and targets for their pupils, though this is scarcely helped by the lack of parental control and discipline and similar in the home

so young sticky, do you leave it to the individual as to when (s)he should retire, or should the employer have the last word?

Manuel,

You were referring to middle east in one of your rambling posts.

Get somebody to keep you awake and have a look at this HardTalk interview.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04knjl4/hardtalk-general-lord-richards-chief-of-the-defence-staff-british-armed-forces-201013


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Gf,

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I can remember how the "new technological age" was heralded by the politicians and the media.

The advances in industrial engineering.

The reduction is heavy manual work and hours needed to accomplish "projects".

That was the 50s-60s-70s and so on.

I do not see why work is so lauded by many, who wouldn't know whats a many "manual worker's" day actually consist of, or the "miserable forms of work" of some of those in the "lower strata" of society.

More often than not those who lord it over others owe their "positions",or own standard of living, more to inherited wealth or the opportunity is availed them than their ability.

The other thing is, while I can see the necessity to "provide" for lean years by producing more than immediately necessary when conditions are favourable, overproduction especially of "glitter" or "marketable goods produce which have no intrinsic value in themselves" and are produced to gain a monetary advantage seem a daft driver of an "economy". It seems to only to increase the greed and consequential divisions of a society.

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Is that understandable?

What I am saying simply is the Etonian type cabal wish who they see as less desirable to work longer for less in order to fill they pockets more!

Stand in line all of you, and show respect to your leaders!

you really do post a load of tripe at times
makes my stuff look like prime sirloin

Very Fred.

Theirs a one or two on this thread aswel who have all had it handed down on a plate to them.

If they had to go out on Building Sites like I have in the past 10 years not as a manual worker but part of the management team just to direct things in freezing cold blustering pis-ing it down weather they would know about it.
No chance of getting to 60 never mind 65 in those type of jobs.

And your second point yep consumables which are supposed to enrich ones life but a dammed good book would be far better and a fraction of the cost.

To me knowledge is far superior than material effects.

This age of the X factor, strictly, Gay chat hosts (nothing against Gays its supposed to be fashion) 3 for 2 at the supermarket etc etc is superficial carp to me.

you and your bloody carp
don't you fish for anything else! :-)

gf--- There are some on this thread who have been handed sweet f a, and have worked hard to achieve their goals.
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True George me included. I had to go to school in wellingtons in the summer for 5 years my family were that poor. But my father was in full time work and had a good manual job as a pattern maker.

The point im trying to make is that their is one or two on this thread who havent had to scrape by and have no idea how hard it is for some of the poor especially today.

They associate them with SKY TV, Cigs, drinking beer and drugs which couldnt be further from the truth for most poor people. They listen to silly documentaries on TV and read right wing clap trap in the news papers.

i wouldn't call pattern making manual, let alone unskilled
average pay nowadays in that role is £18/26,000 pa, presumably based well north of watford, so you'll get more for your money there

Cant see what your posting cynic Ive had you filtered since yesterday morning along with your 2 partners Chris Carson and Doodelbug4.

Actually, cyners, having watched my own children go through the education system in recent years, I think the standard of teaching has improved drastically since I rebelled against the nuns who taught me.

But, I do agree, exams have been dumbed down and the use of modules only makes things worse.

i wasn't complaining about the teachers per se, but i certainly think there is a tendency to set pupil aspiration too low

And too many of them are useless, form ticking nonentities.

to some extent, it's what the system demands
i think there are similar probs for docs and pharmacists