Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Basic, fundamental thinking required here...no chance!


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Manuel,

When I read your posts, I recall more and more the following quote:

“A winner knows how much he still has to learn, even when he is considered an expert by others; a loser wants to be considered an expert by others before he has learned enough to know how little he knows.”

You and Dumbo fulfil the latter description.

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Max,

Perhaps, the ones outside the "union" are examining the books to plunder.

Perhaps, the UK may have to dance to a different tune.

There must be a word to describe you Freda , I'm going to look somewhere . Under miserable old git .

Fred i think i'm the only one that can read you ,give it a rest today with your childish drivel talk ,it sounds like you have had a tough weekend on the sauce .

Vicky.

Congratulations.

You made it through the weekend.

It's here VIC ...

You might be right Fred...I have no doubt the vultures are gathering.

However, blighty is no chicken to be plucked at will, it has teeth with which to fight back.

What seems to be lacking is.. The will to do so!

Dumbo.

Post 4723.

Do you have that image above your bed every night?

You seem possessed by it.

No just when your spouting crap every day i think of that image.

Sounds obsessional to me.

fred is just deliberately contrary ...... i guess it gives him pleasure
unfortunately he posts so much dross that when he does post something interesting or even worth discussing, it just gets swamped

Deliberately contrary , i think your right .

for sure so ...... apart from his more fatuous comments (there's many), when did fred ever concur with anything that anyone else wrote?

Maybe it's his only outlet where he can express his beliefs .

questionable what he does actually believe, other than believing that he has an absolute democratic right not to vote and then to complain about everything thereafter

C+P

Dumbo, Manuel and Vicky,

I am able to recognise beliefs and bigotry and generally can distinguish them from informed and factual opinion.

Again, I am well use to critical self-analysis and even introspection and modify my opinions and actions in response to critical analysis and discussion.

Perhaps, the latter approach would be useful for yourselves, but I doubt you would give much validity to the opinion of others unless they coincide with your own.

Manuel,

If you read back to before some of my posts before the referendum you will see that I thought “out” vote simply put was a “dumb” vote, especially when one considered the probable difficulties and costs of negotiations and renegotiations of rules, laws, contracts, boundaries, responsibilities etc. made or agreed to, over the last 45years.

From your recent postings, you seem to be catching up and realising the consequences.

(Also, consider the costs of attempting to fortify little england to prevent the unknown numbers of immigrants wishing to enter the country. It is not appealing, but of course, you are welcome to your opinions.

(Hear they are starting to build smuggling tunnels between NI and SI ready for the exit, unless they devolve as a whole.)

Cameron, Hay’s and your messiah, did a wonderful job and foresaw what his political shenanigans would produce.

But why does the public have to pay his bills?

What esteemed company I keep , thank you jimmy and cynic .

Curmudgeon comes to mind. Or whining sourpuss if you like plain english. But if he is ignored, he will die from lack of oxygen.

i see FOSF still tries to tell me how i should have voted
presumptuous pedagogue that he is

regrettably, and by a very small narrow margin, i came to the conclusion that it was a boil that needed to be lanced as failing to do so - ie by remaining in - nothing could or would have been achieved
others felt differently as was their prerogative

Bull ---,

Comes to mind.

You are entitled to vote as wish, or not to vote at all.

But, it would seem to many it is easier to modify the rules from within a club than blow the bloody doors off it.

I don't think that there were many who wished to remain in the EU did not realise it had some faults, and more were often unhappy because of some of its "directives" etc..

I only hope those remaining in the EU will be more sensible in the negotiations than some of the Exiters, at the moment are proposing to be.

Although, for years it has been recognised that the UK has only been half in the EU and its new independence will diminish it influence on international political decisions.

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