Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

oldish news ..... that happened last night

Run of the mill in Germany these days .

When these terrorists blow themselves up, which of the bits that are left do you feel most sorry for?

The rules and regulations etc. have been reviewed for the last 45years.

Do you own checking.

Even Maggie the got her ways sometimes.

-=-==-=

Dumbo,

He doesn't need me to defend him.

No he doesn't he's in many pieces , just hope he didn't take any Germans with him ,although that wouldn't be your first concern would it .

I am sceptical whether that it is yours either.

Looks like the French aren't taking any crap , two hostage takers shot in Rouen church , dead .

Theresa May is preparing a Brexit fudge which will disappoint everyone - Telegraph

The outcome of the referendum was the result of decades of hostility towards the European Union. Some people, like Nigel Farage and Daniel Hannan, built profiles and careers and out of articulating their disappointment. An industry of complaint helped to change the course of Britain’s future last month.

Brexit means Brexit, and we are going to make a success of it. Theresa May

So there can be no surprise that organisations like “More United” are springing up to campaign to remain. What is surprising is that Eurosceptics are telling Remainers to just get over the result. Some demand that the 48 per cent accept Brexit in a way that they never accepted the European Union.

That is just one example of how bitterly divided the referendum has left Britain. But it's also left us led by a woman whose approach to Europe must leave both sides fearing a disappointing resolution. As Theresa May travels to Northern Ireland to rule out the return of border checks between UK and Ireland, both sides in the referendum should see the signs that almost nobody will get what they want from Brexit.

Theresa May’s enigmatic approach to Europe has made it difficult to work out what her Brexit preferences might be. While she backed both the European Arrest Warrant and remaining in the European Union, in April she called for Britain to abandon the European Convention on Human Rights, adherence to which has recently been suspended by President Erdoğan as he crushes dissent in Turkey. She also stated that “regardless of the referendum… we should leave”, remarks interpreted as signposting her cool relationship with Europe.

On the other hand, only seven days after the referendum result, while launching her campaign Ms May ditched withdrawal from the ECHR, claiming that it “divides people”. Was May’s criticism of the Convention ever more than careful signalling? In April she praised the idea of a “true British” Bill of Rights, an idea still compatible with membership of the ECHR, but we have yet to hear anything from the Prime Minister about where this now stands. If it is abandoned, then we can safely conclude that it was an exercise on positioning.

Meanwhile, Britain’s abandonment of presidency of the European Council in 2017 seems, on the face of it, like a great thing if you’re keen for Britain to swiftly depart from the European Union. We’re relinquishing our turn at the helm to “focus on Brexit”, which sounds excitingly immediate. Yet we have been in no great hurry to trigger Article 50 so far. Whenever we do, we will still be a full member of the European Union throughout the second half of 2017, when we would have had the presidency. Determining the agenda of the European Council might have helped Britain to steer conversations in Europe in areas that are still bound to be significant to us in the next two years. At best this move looks like tokenism. At worst it is the abandonment of a bargaining position that would have aided Britain in asserting influence in our negotiations to leave. Neither Brexiteers or Remainers should be happy that we’ve handed back this opportunity.

Indeed, if you really wanted to kick Brexit into the taller grass, you’d insist that the triggering of Article 50 would be delayed until Scotland were on board with a “UK approach” to Brexit. Nicola Sturgeon leads a part of the UK which voted to remain, she still believes that remain is the best course of action, and she is hardly likely to rush to agree on a plan for Brexit. Ten days ago, May met Sturgeon in Ediburgh and said exactly this. No rush to leave the European Union, but rather a commitment in the words of Sturgeon afterwards that the British government was “open and flexible” to options.

Furthermore, May is now also promising to engage with Northern Ireland’s devolved administration on negotiations with the EU. So while Brexit may mean Brexit, it seems increasingly obvious that her personal commitment to the Union is likely to trump the demands of Brexiteers. Keeping the Union intact, and preserving open borders between Northern Ireland and Ireland, may yet water down Brexit to something unacceptable to many who voted for it.

With a reluctant Remainer in Downing street and a reluctant Brexiteer in the FCO, there can be little wonder that there are rumours of plans to give us temporary exemption from freedom of movement while protecting single market access. Our Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary acknowledge the importance of the single market. The Europeans may try to sell us a deal that looks interesting in the short term, but in which fetters to free movement have a sunset clause. We’d lose influence in Europe for a few years of border control: a compromise that might keep the Union together, but to the dissatisfaction of both Brexiteers and Remainers.

Such an offer would give an obvious basis for a second referendum: nobody could have anticipated that voting to leave meant full access to the single market, free movement on pause, and no voting rights for Britain. Of course Theresa May didn’t want this problem. Her comments and actions to date clearly signal her willingness to compromise, and her skill at talking tough with the EU while acting soft. The outcome of her efforts will go too far for Remainers and nowhere near far enough for many Brexiteers. We may be divided, but the signs are that Brexit will soon unite us all in disappointment.

The UK Government is to open three new offices across the US to promote British business and develop economic ties following the vote to leave the EU.

The Department for International Trade said the cities of Minneapolis, Raleigh and San Diego have been chosen because of their economic productivity and established research and development centres.

4748 - the hardline eurosceptics will be unhappy almost regardless of any deal that might be done, though it could be argued that the remainers should have got off their bums and voted if they wanted to win

nevertheless, while TM has to walk a tightrope, i think her endeavours to establish a consensus not only makes sense but will actually help to strike a better and properly balanced deal

as i have written before, in a strange way, the uk now has a much stronger hand than before the referendum as the eu hierarchy is terrified of the potential domino effect if uk is not somehow accommodated ........ a tricky path for both sides

You could argue that there were both remain voters and leave voters who
didn't get off their backsides and go and vote, though LEAVE voters were
more determined to vote.

But when the registration site went down with just 10 minutes before cut off
time, and then the government giving two extra days for those who left it till
the last minute to register, allowing two million extra (remain)voters , most likely
dragged out of every college/university common room that the remain side could
muster.

So If it were not for those extra two days the LEAVE margin would have been greater.

i don't run with your conspiracy theory at all, but yes, if you didn't get off your bum and you're a remainer, then don't complain at the result

Pimms £12/ltr at Tesco

Pimms? Do men drink that? Jack Daniels £30/ltr at Tesco.

never been to a tesco in my life .... clearly it sets it sights on the more up-market version of lager louts :-)

That would be about 95% of the population then .

Don't have to go in C. Heaven forbid. Order online. :) At Waitrose, Tennessee rye is £35/ltr.
I actually ventured into a Lidl the other day and was pleasantly surprised by some of the offers.

Look at falling support for UKIP

I'm surprised, thought support would have dwindled down to nothing since the neverendum.

Still, it's got more support than the Limp/Dims and Green Greenies put together.


And just wait till May shows her real cards...then I suspect support will come streaming back.

It means nothing at this stage, everything's in limbo at the moment.

Haystack puts those polls up just to massage his own ego.