Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

Sounds obsessional to me.

fred is just deliberately contrary ...... i guess it gives him pleasure
unfortunately he posts so much dross that when he does post something interesting or even worth discussing, it just gets swamped

Deliberately contrary , i think your right .

for sure so ...... apart from his more fatuous comments (there's many), when did fred ever concur with anything that anyone else wrote?

Maybe it's his only outlet where he can express his beliefs .

questionable what he does actually believe, other than believing that he has an absolute democratic right not to vote and then to complain about everything thereafter

C+P

Dumbo, Manuel and Vicky,

I am able to recognise beliefs and bigotry and generally can distinguish them from informed and factual opinion.

Again, I am well use to critical self-analysis and even introspection and modify my opinions and actions in response to critical analysis and discussion.

Perhaps, the latter approach would be useful for yourselves, but I doubt you would give much validity to the opinion of others unless they coincide with your own.

Manuel,

If you read back to before some of my posts before the referendum you will see that I thought “out” vote simply put was a “dumb” vote, especially when one considered the probable difficulties and costs of negotiations and renegotiations of rules, laws, contracts, boundaries, responsibilities etc. made or agreed to, over the last 45years.

From your recent postings, you seem to be catching up and realising the consequences.

(Also, consider the costs of attempting to fortify little england to prevent the unknown numbers of immigrants wishing to enter the country. It is not appealing, but of course, you are welcome to your opinions.

(Hear they are starting to build smuggling tunnels between NI and SI ready for the exit, unless they devolve as a whole.)

Cameron, Hay’s and your messiah, did a wonderful job and foresaw what his political shenanigans would produce.

But why does the public have to pay his bills?

What esteemed company I keep , thank you jimmy and cynic .

Curmudgeon comes to mind. Or whining sourpuss if you like plain english. But if he is ignored, he will die from lack of oxygen.

i see FOSF still tries to tell me how i should have voted
presumptuous pedagogue that he is

regrettably, and by a very small narrow margin, i came to the conclusion that it was a boil that needed to be lanced as failing to do so - ie by remaining in - nothing could or would have been achieved
others felt differently as was their prerogative

Bull ---,

Comes to mind.

You are entitled to vote as wish, or not to vote at all.

But, it would seem to many it is easier to modify the rules from within a club than blow the bloody doors off it.

I don't think that there were many who wished to remain in the EU did not realise it had some faults, and more were often unhappy because of some of its "directives" etc..

I only hope those remaining in the EU will be more sensible in the negotiations than some of the Exiters, at the moment are proposing to be.

Although, for years it has been recognised that the UK has only been half in the EU and its new independence will diminish it influence on international political decisions.

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If we had not voted out there would be absolutely no chance of any reforms of any sort , so that is poppycock .The EU or Merkel sorry would have been cock a hoop and pushed on relentlessly with her plans , make no mistake .

your view, to which many subscribed, but not mine to which even more subscribed .....

of course i did actually put my mark on a ballot paper whereas it is 97% certain that you did not

within both camps, there would have been a variety of reasons why they chose to vote as they did - you know; that odd procedure where you put your mark on a ballot paper

pompous pedagogue that you are, constantly deride anyone who does not subscribe to your view .... thus why i have revived FOSF for you

But, it would seem to many it is easier to modify the rules from within a club than blow the bloody doors off it.
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Just how thick are you Fred ? they wouldn't play ball you know that . This way the whole union will modify mark my words .

Oh and by the way another Syrian has blown himself up in Germany ,i'm surprised you havn't been here to defend him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36880758

oldish news ..... that happened last night

Run of the mill in Germany these days .

When these terrorists blow themselves up, which of the bits that are left do you feel most sorry for?

The rules and regulations etc. have been reviewed for the last 45years.

Do you own checking.

Even Maggie the got her ways sometimes.

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Dumbo,

He doesn't need me to defend him.

No he doesn't he's in many pieces , just hope he didn't take any Germans with him ,although that wouldn't be your first concern would it .

I am sceptical whether that it is yours either.