Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Ps. If the voters trust Boris with his track record, or their wives, they will be bigger fools than I would give them credit for being.

Come on dooodles Bug............ im waiting

Chickened out.

Haystack, on the Sunday Politics show Andrew Neill has said that he reckons that Labour will lose in the region of 20 seats to the SNP at the GE. Concurs with what you and I think.

And how many on the show did they think UKIP would gain from both parties

I don't think anyone had a clue really and when Neill interviewed Farage all Farage would say was that he wasn't going to make any wild predictions about how many seats UKIP would win at the GE, but he did say he expected more defections from both main parties.

DB4,

But when the crunch comes who would those 20 vote with.

SNP who else?

Whatever you may say, I think Cameron and cronies has polarised the country with a large minority of voters bearing to the far right helped on by a public bar haranguer.

The majority of voters lean and vote to the left unless circumstances, like 2008-2010 disillusions them and they wish to revolt against those objectified as the cause.

Hence the continuing attacks by the Right wing press and tory party cohorts trying to lay the blame with Labour for the economic "? collapse".

The Libs for the last 50 years have in general represented the moderate middle voters.


Unfortunately, for the Cons the economy is still in the "doldrums" and looks bleaker than he promised. Also, as Osborne has nothing to give away, except to his own kith and kin and per usual looking around for a scapegoat for his shoddy "work". i.e. his trading partners.

Thankfully, the public no longer believe the Confidence Tricksters!

I think the tories have had it, but Nigel will get the blame!

Fred.

How on earth do you ignore "no more boom and bust" Broon's hand in the economic "collapse"?


How do you do it?

because it doesn't suit his agenda

in honesty, an awful lot of voters are clearly fed up with the present gov't, which in many ways is "unfair"as at the time of the last election, it was recognised by the impartial that the tories were inheriting a poisoned chalice
nevertheless, they have certainly pooped in their own nests far too often over the last 4+ years

on the other hand, miliband is perceived as being pretty gormless and certainly an absolute disaster to be a potential pm

we now see the press everywhere giving ukip a huge amount of publicity, none of it particularly negative - or at least not yet

lib/dems are likely to be blown out of the water, but a surge in snp seats is quite a strong likelihood, at the expense of labour

thus, it'll be very interesting, and perhaps even scary to see how the election and split of seats actually pans out

Shit hits the fan time .....



Farage: July 2015 referendum is my price for propping up Tories

Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, will prop up a Conservative minority government in exchange for a referendum on EU membership in July 2015








By Matthew Holehouse, Political Correspondent

4:05PM BST 12 Oct 2014



Comments513 Comments





Nigel Farage will demand a referendum on EU membership next July as the "price" for propping up a minority Conservative government.


Ukip MPs would support the Tories in the event of a hung Parliament under a confidence and supply arrangement in exchange for an in-out referendum being brought forward by two years, Mr Farage said.


The party believes it can win at least half a dozen, and even as many as 25, seats at the general election. Polling for the Mail on Sunday puts Ukip on a record 25 per cent.


That would give Ukip the “balance of power”, which Mr Farage has said he would use to prop up a minority government on votes of confidence and key bills, rather than entering a full coalition.


In exchange he would demand Mr Cameron brings forward his 2017 referendum by two years, he revealed today, saying the vote had been “kicked into the long grass”.


“The price would be a full, free and fair referendum on our continued membership of the European Union: the opportunity to get our country back. And for that to happen quickly,” he said.

“I’m not prepared to wait for three years. I want to have a referendum on this great question next year, and if Ukip can maintain its momentum and get enough seats in Westminster, we might be able to achieve that.”

“Some time in July next year strikes me as a very good time to do this," he told the BBC.


More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11157230/Farage-July-2015-referendum-is-my-price-for-propping-up-Tories.html

farage is likely to support whichever minority party has the most seats

Sorry c, our posts crossed.

Good sum up, but perhaps overtaken by events re ukip's offer.

He cant support millibean, ref not on offer.

Max,

I don't have to.

If you really earlier posts I did point to labour's negligence in the years preceding the collapse.

But some of their stupidity was being egged on by the conservative advising less "patrolling" etc. of the city, (PFIs a legacy of the tories, utilised by labour).

Also, the public (voters) would probably not have tolerated the necessary restraints as a they were going "very nicely" with the "over-borrowing" and "housing gambles" etc..

But you have to look around and see where they spent some of the revenues, ie. taxes.

Replacement of the infrastructures etc. New schools, new hospitals new and varied infrastructures. These were in a state of decay as Maggie purloined the Nation's silver and sold it off to her "friends". (Harold Macmillan's words, or close to them.)

But, I think they should have stuffed politics and tried to restrain "borrowing" more.

That is the problem with dishonest politics and short-terminism.

(Look at the U-turns of this Government!)

Not many in the media were forecasting the crash in 2004 -2007.

Short reply, it is bloody complicated and the "scullery boy" might be reading the posts.

I think the Libs will do fairly well in the GE. Their core vote is based in a small number of constituencies. They won a few off Labour in the last election and will probably lose those in the GE. The Libs go up and down from election to election and this one may be a down one.

I can't see core Lib voters going for UKIP or conservatives for that matter. You have to remember there are two very different sides to the Libs. The Social Democratic hangover from their merger with the SDP are ex Labour and still pretty left wing. Even the right wing of the party is left of the Conservatives and very left of UKIP.

I would prefer not to have Farage in my camp if I was preparing for a war.

Unless, I was thinking I using him as human decoy!

As with Boris I would have to employ somebody to watch my back. (Expensive.)

And where would you have Miliband, Fred? Trying to dig you out of a tunnel in a concentration camp?

What about Nigels offer to Cameroon Haystack?


No comment?

I don't know Miliband, but see him compared with the tory leadership at least trying to be honest.

And if I was in a hole I think he would be more likely to help dig me out and discuss how I had got into it, at later time.

Whereas I think Cameron, Farage and his ilk would ignore me and put it down as my fault and inadequacy and going to the wrong school.

But, of course Miliband would I expect more awareness of the concentration camps than the right winged elements in politics today would have more in common with the fascist of past generations.

The economics of screwing the Welfare states is not the sensible way out of a recession!

Blaming everybody else for your own failures is not a policy. (I am alright Jacks.)

Finger pointing the weak in a society is not amusing.

Scapegoating the weakest in society for one's own political benefit is the lowest form of politics.