Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Fred.

How on earth do you ignore "no more boom and bust" Broon's hand in the economic "collapse"?


How do you do it?

because it doesn't suit his agenda

in honesty, an awful lot of voters are clearly fed up with the present gov't, which in many ways is "unfair"as at the time of the last election, it was recognised by the impartial that the tories were inheriting a poisoned chalice
nevertheless, they have certainly pooped in their own nests far too often over the last 4+ years

on the other hand, miliband is perceived as being pretty gormless and certainly an absolute disaster to be a potential pm

we now see the press everywhere giving ukip a huge amount of publicity, none of it particularly negative - or at least not yet

lib/dems are likely to be blown out of the water, but a surge in snp seats is quite a strong likelihood, at the expense of labour

thus, it'll be very interesting, and perhaps even scary to see how the election and split of seats actually pans out

Shit hits the fan time .....



Farage: July 2015 referendum is my price for propping up Tories

Nigel Farage, the Ukip leader, will prop up a Conservative minority government in exchange for a referendum on EU membership in July 2015








By Matthew Holehouse, Political Correspondent

4:05PM BST 12 Oct 2014



Comments513 Comments





Nigel Farage will demand a referendum on EU membership next July as the "price" for propping up a minority Conservative government.


Ukip MPs would support the Tories in the event of a hung Parliament under a confidence and supply arrangement in exchange for an in-out referendum being brought forward by two years, Mr Farage said.


The party believes it can win at least half a dozen, and even as many as 25, seats at the general election. Polling for the Mail on Sunday puts Ukip on a record 25 per cent.


That would give Ukip the “balance of power”, which Mr Farage has said he would use to prop up a minority government on votes of confidence and key bills, rather than entering a full coalition.


In exchange he would demand Mr Cameron brings forward his 2017 referendum by two years, he revealed today, saying the vote had been “kicked into the long grass”.


“The price would be a full, free and fair referendum on our continued membership of the European Union: the opportunity to get our country back. And for that to happen quickly,” he said.

“I’m not prepared to wait for three years. I want to have a referendum on this great question next year, and if Ukip can maintain its momentum and get enough seats in Westminster, we might be able to achieve that.”

“Some time in July next year strikes me as a very good time to do this," he told the BBC.


More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11157230/Farage-July-2015-referendum-is-my-price-for-propping-up-Tories.html

farage is likely to support whichever minority party has the most seats

Sorry c, our posts crossed.

Good sum up, but perhaps overtaken by events re ukip's offer.

He cant support millibean, ref not on offer.

Max,

I don't have to.

If you really earlier posts I did point to labour's negligence in the years preceding the collapse.

But some of their stupidity was being egged on by the conservative advising less "patrolling" etc. of the city, (PFIs a legacy of the tories, utilised by labour).

Also, the public (voters) would probably not have tolerated the necessary restraints as a they were going "very nicely" with the "over-borrowing" and "housing gambles" etc..

But you have to look around and see where they spent some of the revenues, ie. taxes.

Replacement of the infrastructures etc. New schools, new hospitals new and varied infrastructures. These were in a state of decay as Maggie purloined the Nation's silver and sold it off to her "friends". (Harold Macmillan's words, or close to them.)

But, I think they should have stuffed politics and tried to restrain "borrowing" more.

That is the problem with dishonest politics and short-terminism.

(Look at the U-turns of this Government!)

Not many in the media were forecasting the crash in 2004 -2007.

Short reply, it is bloody complicated and the "scullery boy" might be reading the posts.

I think the Libs will do fairly well in the GE. Their core vote is based in a small number of constituencies. They won a few off Labour in the last election and will probably lose those in the GE. The Libs go up and down from election to election and this one may be a down one.

I can't see core Lib voters going for UKIP or conservatives for that matter. You have to remember there are two very different sides to the Libs. The Social Democratic hangover from their merger with the SDP are ex Labour and still pretty left wing. Even the right wing of the party is left of the Conservatives and very left of UKIP.

I would prefer not to have Farage in my camp if I was preparing for a war.

Unless, I was thinking I using him as human decoy!

As with Boris I would have to employ somebody to watch my back. (Expensive.)

And where would you have Miliband, Fred? Trying to dig you out of a tunnel in a concentration camp?

What about Nigels offer to Cameroon Haystack?


No comment?

I don't know Miliband, but see him compared with the tory leadership at least trying to be honest.

And if I was in a hole I think he would be more likely to help dig me out and discuss how I had got into it, at later time.

Whereas I think Cameron, Farage and his ilk would ignore me and put it down as my fault and inadequacy and going to the wrong school.

But, of course Miliband would I expect more awareness of the concentration camps than the right winged elements in politics today would have more in common with the fascist of past generations.

The economics of screwing the Welfare states is not the sensible way out of a recession!

Blaming everybody else for your own failures is not a policy. (I am alright Jacks.)

Finger pointing the weak in a society is not amusing.

Scapegoating the weakest in society for one's own political benefit is the lowest form of politics.

I don't think Cameron will go for deals with UKIP. I saw him commenting on it earlier in the week. His line was that it would be difficult to do deals with UKIP as they did not know what they stood for. UKIP have no detailed policies. What policies they do have are not costed and some are downright mad.

Which policies are downright mad Haystack?

I think Farage has thrown Call Me Dave a lifeline, a virtual guarantee to be the next Prime Minister. (with a few strings)

However, if Cameroon turns it down...what conclusions can you draw from such a position?

It's another seven months until the GE, Max and there will be lots of twists and turns in that time. Cameron needs to get the message - it's not about the economy stupid, it's about immigration. That is the message that is coming from people who are voting UKIP.

Could be db4, must admit, the three stoogies are vying for position of dickhead of the year...look at this nonsense below:



Ukip is tapping into a seam of despair that Labour cannot and will not ignore

The opposition leader pledges to tackle immigration, invest in the NHS and pay a fair wage for hard work



Ed Miliband


The Observer, Saturday 11 October 2014 21.00 BST




When I became leader of the Labour party four years ago, I challenged us to defy precedent by being just a one-term opposition.

Today, I believe we can fulfil that ambition and earn the trust of the British people again. But I also know there is much work to be done to make this happen, work I am determined we will complete over the next seven months.

For all the Conservatives’ bravado and self-congratulation at their conference, the landslide defeat in Clacton and the collapse of their vote in Heywood and Middleton have shown how far David Cameron is from securing the majority they crave. Thursday’s byelections confirmed the discontent across a Britain deeply scarred by division and inequality between a privileged few and the struggles of working people from every walk of life. When the Tories insist that our country is on the right track or claim that there is no cost-of-living crisis, they just prove they are on the wrong side of the bulk of British people who know the recovery has not, for all the ministerial boasting, touched their lives.



The rest of the nonsense is here: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/11/ed-miliband-labour-hope-for-britains-future

There are a lot of different views about how many seats UKIP will get. If the actual figures are at the bottom end of the range then UKIP will be in no position to be in a coalition with anyone.

Haze,

From the number of U-turns Cameron has done in the last four years I would think him capable of licking his own or anybody else's arse to stay in power.

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But trusting Farage, or Cameron on any deal to made to be fulfill would offer odds that I might accept.

Bet over Doodlebug. You had your chance but not the balls.

NOW answer are you the poster on advfn known as Stigologist???????????????????????