Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Why does Cameron, Milliband and Clegg want us in Europe? Answers simple, they get paid for not making any decisions... How the Prime Minister can claim to be running the country is beyond me, his policies must fall in-line with those of Brussels as must law.. Why do we have so many MPs, I think the real answer is due to the amount of RED tape we now have to jump through and be compliant upon... The below link is just one example of everything wrong with being in the EU...

http://cleanairinlondon.org/hot-topics/europe-at-its-best-takes-legal-action-against-uk-at-its-worst-on-air-pollution/

I don't believe that every immigrant comes to the country for benefits... I've met plenty that are taxi driving here as the money is good which they send home... Lets face it, if I could do the same job in Poland earning twice as much I would... And just like these immigrants I'd feel no loyalty to the country I'd be working in either!!

Lets not forget, they're here for the money however it's earn't because we allow them to be....

rather like "our chaps" going to m/e to work then

a similar analogy in m/e is to look to see the nationalit(ies) of all the hotel staff, and we are talking of those in reception, the hotel restaurants etc etc, so scarcely the "lowest form of life"
as here, the locals aren't interested or would not even be half as good

I think that Cameron genuinely wants to stay in the EU for reasons of benefits to the UK. There are very convincing arguments either way. In his party there are people on both sides of discussions. There is a pretty jaundiced view of politicians regarding the EU. I have met a number of very senipr members of the Conservative party and they all seem genuine people who work for the good of the UK. They may be painted otherwise by other parties but they have the best intentions. Labour likes to charactarise Conservative as wanting to break up the NHS. The reality is very different. They are committed to free health care at the point of delivery. They just disagree as to how that is provided. We all knowhow inefficient the NHS is. The Conservatives are trying to do something about it.

Just about sums up:





And for Manuel!

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Government’s reorganisation of the NHS was its biggest 'mistake', say senior Tories



The dawn is breaking:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/governments-reorganisation-of-the-nhs-was-its-biggest-mistake-say-senior-tories-9790247.html


IAN JOHNSTON Monday 13 October 2014






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The Government’s reorganisation of the NHS was its biggest “mistake”, senior Conservatives have reportedly admitted.

Labour has pledged to repeal the “toxic” 2012 Health and Social Care Act, which saw a major restructuring of how the NHS is funded. Some claim the bill was designed to pave the way for private firms to take over much of the running of the health service or even its privatisation.

Experts said the reorganisation, which is estimated to have cost about £3bn, had caused “profound and intense” damage to the NHS with one saying former Health Secretary, Andrew Lansley, would be facing disciplinary action if he had been a doctor.

A senior Cabinet minister told The Times newspaper: “We’ve made three mistakes that I regret, the first being restructuring the NHS. The rest are minor.”

One insider said the plans, which were drawn up by Mr Lansley, were “unintelligible gobbledygook” and an ally of Chancellor George Osborne said: “George kicks himself for not having spotted it and stopped it. He had the opportunity then and he didn’t take it.”

A former No 10 adviser also told The Times: “No one apart from Lansley had a clue what he was really embarking on, certainly not the Prime Minister. He [Lansley] kept saying his grand plans had the backing of the medical establishment and we trusted him. In retrospect it was a mistake.”



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Here the more of the silver is being sold off to camouflage the debts the "government" has run up.

Sold the silver and giving gold to their pals.

oh dear
someone's let red fred out his box again
how dull

Nigel Farage invited to take part in 2015 TV leaders’ debates

BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Sky News agree plan for Ukip leader to appear with David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband



Jason Deans


theguardian.com, Monday 13 October 2014 10.30 BST





Nigel Farage has been invited by the UK’s leading broadcasters to take part in TV leaders’ debates in the runup to next year’s general election.

The Ukip leader is being offered a place in a live debate with David Cameron, Nick Clegg and Ed Miliband to be broadcast on ITV, in a joint proposal pitched to the main political parties on Monday morning.

It remains to be seen whether the Conservative, Liberal Democrat and Labour leaders agree to appear with Farage.

The BBC, ITV, Channel 4 and Sky News have jointly agreed to a plan for three TV debates and written to the leaders of the four parties with their proposal.



What the broadcasters are proposing:

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/oct/13/nigel-farage-2015-leaders-debates-bbc-itv-sky-news

The form of government we have had for 4 years and decision making processes!


One insider said the plans, which were drawn up by Mr Lansley, were “unintelligible gobbledygook” and an ally of Chancellor George Osborne said: “George kicks himself for not having spotted it and stopped it. He had the opportunity then and he didn’t take it.”

A former No 10 adviser also told The Times: “No one apart from Lansley had a clue what he was really embarking on, certainly not the Prime Minister. He [Lansley] kept saying his grand plans had the backing of the medical establishment and we trusted him. In retrospect it was a mistake.”

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Haze boasts he had spoken "senior members of conservative party".

I didn't think there was many of them left.

The majority have retired or seem to be moving to the KIPPER party.

The reason that the major parties want the UK to stay in Europe is simple.

People are living longer, and it's been known since the 80's that the social security system would not have sufficient funds to pay the pensions and healthcare costs of an aging population indefinitely. It's important therefore, to have selective immigration whereby the people coming into the UK contribute to the system through taxation, and pay for the needs of those already here.

The EU, through its free trade agreement, is a means to an end to solving deferring the UK's aging population crisis.

That said, immigration has undeniably got out of control over recent years, mainly as a result of Labour's 13 year open door policy. Benefits tourism isn't a particular problem in terms of net cost, but the tabloids are quick to put any instance they can on the front pages, and the great British public (and Tanker) are affronted by what they read. And, when middle class British families can't get their child into the best school in the local area because all the places have gone to Asians, they get hacked off. And understandably so.

What people don't realise, however, is that, even if the UK were to leave the EU and a free trade agreement were created with the EU (which it would be, without doubt), then that free trade agreement would also include a freedom of movement agreement whereby Brits could go and work in Europe, and Europeans could move to the UK. EU immigrants might not be eligible for benefits under such an agreement, but they'd still be able to come and go as they pleased.

So, all the UKIPpers who think that leaving the EU is going to put everything right overnight, might be a tad disappointed. Cameron knows this, and that's why he feels it's better to renegotiate terms with the EU first, before a referendum. But, the public imo do have a right to decide on this through the ballot box, and I think it's wrong to deny them that right any longer than is necessary.

And, fwiw, it's not just the Brits who are hacked off with Europe and the freedom of movement. Switzerland isn't part of the EU, but it does have a free trade agreement with the EU and open borders for passage of EU citizens. The natives are really unhappy with the number of eastern European immigrants (particularly the muslims) at the moment.

Huurrgghh, if Labour had an open door policy for 13 years then the coalitions policy must have been to completely remove the doors altogether!!

As for Cameron wanting to negotiate with the EU its all smoke and mirrors... As is the referendum if he gets a majority, chance would be a fine thing..

Manuel,

I wondered why you went to the ME.

When you are washing the dishes there, is the pay good and do you pay local taxes on what you earn?

i wouldn't mind paying local taxes as they are minimal to zero
however, as a plongeur the pay and conditions will be pretty dire as at that level, they will use imported bangla (or similar), as is the case with road building and the like

Germany and France have similar views to Switzerland. Germans are fed up with Turkish 'guest workers' as they call them.

turkish gastarbeiter in germany have been unwelcome for a great many years
however, they are the only ones who are prepared to do the menial jobs like picking the asparagus when in season

does that ring any bells for uk?

Do the germans provide them with free housing, medical, education, benefits etc?

answer no they have to have answer to why they are in gremany and why they came if they can not support tem selves

spain you will get no help only to leave the country
Poland gives no help to any none polish

ask the local farming community :-)

certainly the gastarbeiter refused to pay tax and nhic, so when the german gov't tried to clamp down on this a year or so back, they simply refused to come in ..... the result was that much of the crop just went to waste
i don't know what happened this year