Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

It means nothing at this stage, everything's in limbo at the moment.

Haystack puts those polls up just to massage his own ego.

Interesting article in FT. Liam Fix is pressing for UKIP to quit the EU Customs Union. May/Hammond not convinced yet. They want to compare benefits vs cost.

You will see the rise of UKIP if the Tories stitch the public up with Brexit light .
If May does a good honest job then there will be no need ,the jury is out ,i don't trust anyone at the moment .

Glaxo Smithkline to invest £ 275 million in Britain , calling UK " attractive location " despite Brexit vote . Just need some more big names to come out and show some confidence in us .

British churches on terror alert: UK police issue dramatic warning to Christian places of worship following ISIS murder of elderly priest in France during morning mass

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3709718/British-churches-terror-alert-UK-police-issue-dramatic-warning-Christian-places-worship-following-ISIS-murder-elderly-priest-France-morning-mass.html

Look at a picture of that little prick who killed the priest in France ,it's a shame we the public can't get hold of him .
I say bring back medieval times ,put these scum in the town centre and let the public rip them to pieces .

You would seem to be able to fit into the medieval period easily.

I wondered how long it would take Freda to respond .

things to come.

Just up your alley really Freda , bet your licking your lips in anticipation .

Fred would defend the scum who slit the throat of a priest ,what does that make you Fred ?
Why wouldn't Fred just agree for once ? a terrible act .

I don't think I would even defend you!

Come to the conclusion that it's a waste of time responding to him , he survives on peoples postings berates them continually , and has done for endless years . The one person who is stuck in the past and doesn't change or modify any part of himself , just same old same old .

Moonboot's in good form, although he seems to miss the bleeding obvious.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/27/sovereignty-corporations-liam-fox-eu

VIC , and he calls me Dumbo , what a despicable man ,sitting in his flea infested chair licking his lips at these terror attacks.

jimmy stop responding to him .

Yes your right i had the Moron squelched before .

Dumbo is projecting himself.

Reminds me of the conscripts and fodder of the 1930s.

Max,

Was this part of the article about the man Dumbo and Vicky would wish to lead the UK into the wilderness?

He seems a "chancer" or a charmer?


"What does it mean to love your country? What does it mean to defend its sovereignty? For some of the leaders of the Brexit campaign, it means reducing the United Kingdom to a franchise of corporate capital, governed from head offices overseas. They will take us out of Europe to deliver us into the arms of other powers.


British-EU relations likely to be resolved by 2020, says Liam Fox
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No one embodies this contradiction as much as the man now charged with determining the scope of our sovereignty: the new international trade secretary, Liam Fox. He explained his enthusiasm for leaving Europe thus: “We’ll be able to make our own laws unhindered by anyone else, and our democratic parliament will not be overruled by a European court.” But of all the people Theresa May could have appointed to this post, he seems to me the most likely to ensure that our parliament and laws are overruled by foreign bodies.

Fox looks to me like a corporate sleeper cell implanted in government. In 2011, he resigned his post as defence secretary in disgrace after his extracurricular interests were exposed. He had set up an organisation called Atlantic Bridge, financed in large part by a hedge fund owner. It formed a partnership with a corporate lobbying group called the American Legislative Exchange Council, which is funded by tobacco, pharmaceutical and oil companies. Before it was struck off by the Charity Commission, it began assembling a transatlantic conclave of people who wished to see public services privatised and corporations released from regulation.

He allowed a lobbyist to attend his official meetings, without government clearance. He made misleading statements about these meetings, which were later disproved. It seems extraordinary to me that a man with such a past could have been brought back into government, let alone given such a crucial and sensitive role. Most newspapers have brushed his inconvenient history under the political carpet. He is, after all, their man.

It's extraordinary that a man with his past has been brought back into government – let alone given such a crucial role
At every turn he promotes the millionaires’ agenda while urging that the social contract, which makes this country more or less habitable, be ripped apart. He wants “a systematic dismantling of universal benefits ... turning them into tax cuts”. He has argued for a three- to five-year holiday from capital gains tax. He wants to “freeze public spending for at least three years and probably more”, and to deregulate the labour market, making workers easier to fire. He suggests that access to housing benefit should be limited for people under 25.

This is the man who has been put in charge of making new trade agreements. What he wants to do with them is pretty clear. “We need to see a reinvigoration of our transatlantic relationship,” he argues. “We have a low-regulation and low-taxation environment, which is only likely to improve outside the EU.” Improve, in this context, means becoming yet more hostile to human welfare, social mobility and the defence of the living world.

One of the legitimate complaints against the EU is its determination to drag us into treaties that claim to be about trade but are really about releasing multinational corporations from democratic control. Three of the agreements it is trying to impose – the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement (CETA) and the Trade in Services Agreement (TiSA) – make a mockery of parliamentary sovereignty.

They threaten to reduce to the lowest common denominator the laws protecting us from predatory finance, the exploitation of workers, food adulteration, climate change and environmental destruction. They threaten to force the privatisation of public services. They would allow corporations to sue governments for compensation in offshore tribunals that, unlike the European court Fox professes to hate, are unaccountable, opaque and wildly imbalanced. The EU has no mandate to strike such agreements: a consultation on the offshore tribunals TTIP proposes attracted 150,000 responses, 97% of which were negative."

Think TTIP is a threat to democracy? There’s another trade deal that’s already signed
Nick Dearden
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Leaving Europe should enable us to leave behind biased, destructive treaties of this kind; we will, after all, have to renegotiate most of our trade agreements. But by putting the Fox in charge of the chicken coop, May seems determined to replace them with something even worse.

I dont see it as a leap into the wilderness Fred, more an opportunity.

As for TTIP or CETA, both can go in the bin as far as I'm concerned.

Don't like it? Trade somewhere else!