Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

France has always had a destructive tax system. On your income tax form there is a section called Visible Signs of Wealth. You have to list any goods such as jewellery, cars, boats, extra homes etc over a certain value. This came in a long time ago and was responsiblefor the death of the French luxury car business almost overnight. Names like Delage, Delahaye, Hotchkiss, Talbot, Farman, Panhard, Salmson, Bugatti, Hispanic Suiza, Voisin and many other have gone.

Renault, Peugeot and Citroen also made luxury cars but stopped.France was second in the world after the US for numbers built. For luxury brand cars they were number one.

I often wondered why the French drive round in bashed up old cars! Visible signs of wealth, does that include Rolex watches or an expensive kit of golf clubs?:-)

Here are a few French car makers that you may not have heard of:-

A

Able (1920–1927)
Ader (1900–1907)
AER (1930)
AEM(1920–1924)
Aérocaréne (1947)
Ageron (1910–1914)
Ailloud (1898–1904)
Ajams (1920)
Ajax (1913–1919)
AL (1907–1909)
Alamagny (1947–1948)
Alba (1913–1928)
Albatros (1912)
Alcyon (1906–1929)
Alda (1912–1922)
Allard-Latour (1899–1902)
Alliance (1905–1908)
Alphi (1929–1931)
Alma (1926–1927)
Alva (1913–1923)
AM (1906–1915)
Amédée Bollée (1885–1921)
Amilcar (1921–1939)
Ampère (1906–1909)
Anderson Electric (1912)
Andre Py (1899)
Antoinette (1906–1907)
Arbel (1951–1959) also known as Loubiére, Loubiéres, Symetric, Symetric-Arbel, or Symetric-Paris
Ardent (1900–1901)
Ardex (1934-c.1937; 1952–1955)
Ariane (1907)
Ariès (1903–1938)
Arista (1912–1915)
Arista (1952–1967)
Arola (1976–1983)
Arzac (1926–1927)
AS (1924–1928)
ASS (1919–1920)
Astatic (1920–1922)
Aster (1900–1910)
Astra (1922)
Astresse (1898)
Ateliers d’Automobiles et d’Aviation (AAA) (1919-1920)
Atla (1957–1959)
Atlas (1951)
Audibert & Lavirotte (1894–1901)
Auge (1898-c.1901)
Austral (1907)
Autobleu (1953–1957)
Automoto (1901–1907)
Avions Voisin (1905-1946)
Avolette (1955–1959)

B

Ballot (1921–1932)
Barré (1899–1930)
Beck (1920–1922)
Bédélia (1910–1925)
Bellanger (1912–1925)
Bel Motors (1976-1980)
Benjamin (1921–1931)
Berliet (1895–1939)
Bernardet (1946–1950)
Bignan (1918–1930)
Blériot (1921–1922)
BNC (1923–1931)
Boitel (1946–1949)
Bolide (1899–1907)
Bonnet (1961–1964)
Bouquet, Garcin & Schivre/BGS (1899–1906)
Brasier (1905–1926)
Brouhot (1898–1911)
Bucciali (1922–1933)
Buchet (1910–1930)
Bugatti (1909–1963)
Butterosi (1919–1924)

C

Cambier (1897-c.1905)
Castoldi (1900)
Cedre (1975-1987)
CD (1962–1965)
CG (Chappe et Gessalin) (1966–1974)
CGV (Charron, Girardot et Voigt) (1901–1906)
Chaigneau-Brasier (1926–1930)
Chainless (1900–1903)
Charlon (1905–1906)
Charron (1907–1930)
Chenard-Walcker (1900–1946)
CHS (1945–1946)
Clément-Bayard (1903–1922)
Coadou et Fleury (1921-c.1935)
Cochotte (1899)
Cognet de Seynes (1912–1926)
Cohendet (1898–1914)
Colda (1921–1922)
Constantinesco (1926–1928)
Corre (1901–1907)
Cottereau (1898–1910)
Cottin & Desgouttes (1905–1931)
Cournil (1960–1984)
Couteret (1907)
Couverchel (1905–1907)
Créanche (1899–1906)
Crespelle (1906–1923)
Croissant (1920–1922)
Culmen (c.1909)

D

Dalifol (1896)
Dalifol & Thomas (1896–1898)
Damaizin & Pujos (1910)
Dangel (1968–1971)
Danvignes (1937–1939)
Darl'mat (1936–1950)
Darmont (1921–1939)
Darracq (1896–1920)
David & Bourgeois (1898)
DB (1938–1961)
De Bazelaire (1908–1928)
De Cezac (1922–1927)
De Dietrich (1897–1905)
De Dion-Bouton (1883–1932)
De Marcay (1920–1922)
De Riancey (1898-c.1901)
De Sanzy (1924)
Decauville (1898–1910)
Deguingand (1927–1930)
Deho (1946–1948)
Delage (1905–1953)
Delahaye (1895–1954)
Delamare-Deboutteville (1883–1887)
Delaugère (1898–1926)
Delaunay-Belleville (1904–1948)
Delfosse (1922–1926)
Demeester (1906–1914)
Denis de Boisse (1901–1904)
Derby (1921–1936)
Desmoulins (1920–1923)
Dewald (1902–1926)
Dinin Alfred 1904
DFP (1906–1926)
Diederichs (1912–1914)
Dolo (1947–1948)
Donnet (1928–1936)
Donnet-Zedel (1924–1928)
Dumas (1902–1903)
Dumont (1912–1913)
Duport (1977–1994)
D’Yrsan (1923–1930)

E

EHP (1921–1929)
Electricar (1919–1924)
Elfe (1920–1925)
Elgé (1868–1942)
Elysée (1921–1925)
Enders (1911–1923)
Esculape (1899)
Eudelin (c.1905-1908)
Eureka (1906–1909)

F

Facel Vega (1954–1964)
FAL (1907)
Farman (1919–1931)
Favier (c.1925-1930)
FL (1909–1914)
Fonlupt (1920–1922)
Fouillaron (1900–1914)
Fournier (1913–1924)

G

Galy (1954–1957)
Galba (1929-1930)
Gardner-Serpollet (1900–1907)
Gautier–Wehrlé (1894–1900)
Georges Irat (1921–1953)
Georges Richard (1897–1902)
Georges Roy (1906–1929)
Gillet-Forest (1900–1907)
Gladiator (1896–1920)
Gobron-Brillié (1898–1930)
Gordini (1951–1957)
Goujon (1896–1901)
GRAC (1964–1974)
Gregoire (1904–1924)
Grillet (Company name. Cars sold under the name "Ryjan") (1920-1926)
Grivel (1897)
Guerraz (1901)
Guerry et Bourguignon (1907)
Guyot Spéciale (1925–1931)

H

Hautier (1899–1905)
Hédéa (1912–24)
Heinis (1925–1930)
Helbé (1905–1907)
Henou (1923)
Henry Bauchet (1903)
Henry-Dubray (1901)
Hérald (1901–1906)
Hinstin (1921–1926)
Hispano-Suiza (1911–1938)
Hommell (1994–2003)
Hotchkiss (1903–1955)
Hrubon (1980–1988)
Hurtu (1896–1930)

I

Inaltera (1976-1978)
Induco (1921–1924)
Inter (1953–1956)

J

J-P Wimille (1948–1949)
Jack Sport (1925–1930)
Janémian (1920–1923)
Janoir (1921–1922)
Janvier (1903–1904)
Jean-Bart (1907)
Jean Gras (1924–1927)
Jeantaud (1893–1906)
JG Sport (1922–1923)
Jidé (1969–1974; 1977–1981)
Jouffret (1920–1926)
Jousset (1924–1928)
Jouvie (1913–1914)
Juzan (1897)

K

Kevah (1920–1924)
Koch (1898–1901)
Korn et Latil (1901–1902)
Kriéger (1897–1908)
KVS (1976-c.1984)

L

La Buire (1904–1930)
La Confortable (c.1920)
Lacoste & Battmann (1897–1910)
Lafitte (1923–1924)
Lahaussois (1907)
Landulet (2014)
La Licorne (1907–1950)
L'Alkolumine (1899)
La Lorraine (1899–1902)
Lambert (1926–1953)
La Nef (c.1901-1914)
La Perle (1913–1927)
La Ponette (1909–1925)
La Radieuse (1907)
L'Ardennais (1901-c.1903)
La Roulette (1912–1914)
La Va Bon Train (1904–1914)
Lavie (c.1904)
Le Blon (1898)
Le Cabri (1924–1925)
Le Favori (1921–1924)
Léon Bollée (1896–1931)
Le Piaf (1951–1952)
Le Pratic (1908)
Le Roitelet (1921–1924)
Leyat (1919–1927)
Le Zèbre (1909–1931)
Linon (1900–1914)
Lion-Peugeot (1905–1915)
Lombard (1927–1929)
Lorraine-Dietrich (1905–1934)
Louis Chenard (1920–1932)
Luc Court (1899–1936)
Lufbery (1898-c.1902)
Lurquin-Coudert (1907–1914)
Lutier (1907)
Luxior (1912–1914)

M

Madoz (1921)
Maillard (1900-c.1903)
Maison Parisienne (1897-c.1898)
Majola (1911–1928)
Major (1920–1923; 1932)
Malicet et Blin/M&B (1897-c.1903)
Malliary (1901)
Marathon (1953–1955)
Marbais and Lasnier (1906-1906)
Marcadier (1963–1983)
Marden (1975–1992)
Margaria (1910–1912)
Marguerite (1922–1928)
Marie de Bagneux (1907)
Marot-Gardon (1899–1904)
Marsonetto (1957–1959; 1965–1972)
Matford (1934–1940)
Mathis (1919–1935; 1945–1950)
Matra (1965–1984)
Messier (1924–1931)
Michel Irat (1929–1930)
Mildé (1898–1909)
Millot (1901–1902)
MLB (1894–1902)
Mochet (1924–1958)
Mom (1906–1907)
Monet (1920–1939)
Monica (1971–1975)
Monnard (1899)
Monocar (1936–1939)
Monotrace (1924–1930)
Montier (1920–1934)
Montier & Gillet (1895–1898)
Morisse (1899–1914)
Mors (1895–1925; 1941–1943)
Motobloc (1901–1930)
Mototri Contal (1907–1908)

N

Nanceene (1900-c.1903)
Napoleon (1903)
Naptholette (1899)
Nardini (1914)

O

Obus (1907–1908)
Octo (1921-1928)
Oméga-Six (1922–1930)
Otto (1900–1914)
Ours (1906–1909)

P

Panhard/Panhard & Levassor (1890–1967)
Patin (1899–1900)
Pilain (1896–1920)
Plasson (1910)
Poinard
Ponts-Moteurs (1912–1913)
Populaire (1899)
Poron (1898)
Porthos (1906–1914)
Prod'homme (1907–1908)
Prosper-Lambert (1901–1906)

Q

Quo Vadis (1921–1923)

R

Radior (1920–1922)
Rally (1921–1933)
Raouval (1899–1902)
Ratier (1926–1930)
Ravailler (1907)
Ravel (1900–1902)
Ravel (1923–1929)
Rebour (1905–1908)
Reyonnah (1950–1954)
Reyrol (1900–1930)
Renault
Richard-Brasier (1902–1905)
Robert Serf (1925–1935)
Rochet-Schneider (1894–1932)
Roger (1888–1896)
Rolland-Pilain (1907–1931)
Rolux (1938–1952)
Rosengart (1928–1955)
Roussel (1908–1914)
Roussey (1949–1951)
Rouxel (1899–1900)
Rovin (1946–1951)
Ruby (1910-c.1922)
Ryjan (1920-1926)

S

Salmson (1921–1957)
Sandford (1923–1939)
Santax (1920–1927)
SARA (1923–1930)
Sautter-Harlé (1907–1912)
SCAP (1912–1929)
SCAR (1906–1915)
Scora (1974–present)
Secqueville-Hoyau (1919-1924)
Sénéchal (1921–1927)
Sensaud de Lavaud (1926–1928)
SERA (1959–1961)
Sidéa (1912–1924)
Sigma (1913–1928)
Silva-Coroner (1927)
SIMA-Violet (1924–1929)
Simca (1935–1980)
Simplicia (1910)
Sinpar (1907–1914)
Siscart (1908–1909)
Sixcyl (1907–1908)
Sizaire-Berwick (1913–1927)
Sizaire Frères (1923–1929)
Sizaire-Naudin (1905–1921)
Soncin (1900–1902)
Solanet (1921)
Soriano-Pedroso (1919–1924)
SOVAM (1965–1969)
SPAG (1927–1928)
Stabilia (1907–1930)
Stimula (1907–1914)
Stimula (1978–1982)
Suère (1909-1931)
Suncar (1980-c.1986)

T

Talbot (1919–1932; 1979–1986)
Talbot-Lago (1932–1959)
Th. Schneider (1910–1931)
Thomson (1913–1928)
Tourey (1898)
Tracford (1933–1935)
Tracta (1926–1934)
Triouleyre (1896–1898)
Tuar (1913-1925)
Turcat-Méry (1899–1928)
Turgan-Foy (1899–1906)

U

Unic (1904–1939)
Underberg, of Nantes (?-?)s:Popular Science Monthly/Volume 57/October 1900/Gasoline Automobiles
Urric (1905–1906)
Utilis (1921–1924)

V

Vaillant (1922–1924)
Vallée (1895–1902)
VELAM
Vermorel (1908-1930 as an automobile producer)
Vernandi (1928-1929)
Villard (1925-1935)
Vinot-Deguingand (1901-1927)
Voisin
volvo

Z

Zédel (1905-1920)
Zeiller & Fournier (1920-1924)
Zénia (1913-1924)

I thought Volvo were/are Swedish?

They are!

Perhaps Haystack was just checking to see if we actually read his posts!

lol

I think there was an early French car maker called Volvo. It is a natural name as it is Latin for I roll

I used to own one of these. Mine was white also, although they never made them in white.

It is the same model and is a dead ringer for mine. It was an 11b Normale. The English name was a Big 15. The difference is that 11 horsepower in France is 15 horsepower in England.

I think that Volvo are Chinese owned (not sure).....Murray has just won...fantastic games between him and Robredo.....Murray coming right back in form now...

Murray is starting to play better required field, but I think he may have lost a few English fans following his ill-timed remarks about the referendum! His mother can't dance, Andy needs to show her some decent footwork.

Yes your right db4, I remember him saying he'll support anyone except England so I wish Murray all he wishes us.
2517

Just when he seemed to have repaired the damage of that comment he had to shoot his mouth off again - as a fellow Scot I can only apologise on his behalf!

Why apologise db?

Theres no shortage of tossers wherever you go.

I am out cheat and grind you down again!

'CHART ATTACK GATE' LATEST ODDS

Who will get kicked off the board first

Goldfinger 1/8
Doodlethug4 4/1
Chris Carson 4/1
cynic 8/1
Aldwick 8/1*
Dil 50/1

Note money will be only taken in dollars.

* Depends on his £50 pound GP outcome.

GF,

Just consider them to obstacles to be ignored, side stepped, or circumcised!

(Sorry I meant circumnavigated.)

Or did I?

8-)

Back to mining.

Never thought it could be a clean job done in an armchair.

Fred the big honcho here is taking me to court.........he says for spamming the FTSE board.

Well it was after 4.30pm but hes still after me.

What he fails to realise ive had to put up with people spamming and trolling me on the Chart Attack thread for over 4 weeks now ...............where was he then????????????????.

I started again mid week after your encouragement and within 20 minutes it all kicked off again.

I was left seething. I know innocent posters got caught up in the action and I apologise deeply and sincerely to you. I know 'Im just another on this board'.

There are FCA standards B/Boards have to adhere to.

They in my opinion are not kept to here.....far from it.


I will e- mail the chief honcho with a positive system response tomorrow .

If Im no longer posting again come the morning Id just like to say to everyone a big thankyou for being a freind, its meant a lot to me. I really mean that.

Over and out GF.