for more information about stanelco click on the links.

driver's research page link
http://www.moneyam.com/InvestorsRoom/posts.php?tid=7681#lastread
website link
http://www.stanelco.co.uk/index.htm

thank you andysmith, a breath of fresh air.
I wonder if our (long) enthusiasm will be met by circumstance , looking at the markets and sentiment today it`s going to be a hard pull past 28p, unless of course some news comes?

I personally won`t hesitate to short this one, or dump it for a while on any weakness, bad news is 3X more effective (defective?) on hitting prices than good news, I am told on good authority.
There is no room for ` hearts on sleeves` where your hard earned money is concerned, total ruthlessness is the only way.

Superrer, did you short the FTSE?

I must admit i really thought this would take a bit more of a knock today,, i'm wrong and pleased to be so ..JB..

ho, ho, ho, no sooner said than sentiment turns-1.5m T trade upsets the apple -cart tomorrow?
Must be an institution one imagines, nasty, but thats penny shares .

ps quite a few Small -caps have had last minute T trades today, looks like either end of month tidy ups for clients or a real bear market in tiddlers is coming

TAD -1m T sell,OXB 50K ,ditto,DES etc. etc.
sell in May and go away?

I think sell SEO in May would be a very bad idea this year, so much will happen over the Summer BUT as much as I believe in SEO, if it rises on rumour is not matched by the RNS I will sell 25-50% and buy back MORE later, only trading to preserve my portfolio total and INCREASE my SEO holding without spending more money. Can't see anything wrong with that at all, its different to shorting.

sd,
well said. SD

andy
I agree as on the future of the sp

I didn't say that Sequestors posts were offending, I said that a certain headless sh*t was totally disrupting this bb, i.e., Im in, Im out, Im in, your squelch, now your squelched, and being disrespectful of other posters. Drugs come to mind, like bos said there is an investors room and a traders room; on here we do things more gracefully, after all its only money whats the big deal.

Sell in May and go away isn't done any more, its old hat.

I back driver on that , nothing wrong with his post re selling or buying , but he did what driver said he did, and now he's everyones best mate , the posts today have been fine by seq , however i'll stay off here so as not to be abused, i still retain my holding..

I wasn't having a pop at you Driver, just saying that I happened to agree with his views on what would happen to sp if Walmart not confirmed yet and I also agree with you that this bb should get back to being an investors thread.
The traders have their own thread and we can read it if we want.
We don't need the thread generating 200 comments in 24 hours with fuck all worthwhile actually being said. Totally agreed and glad your still on board like the rest of us, like you'd do otherwise anyway!!!
Folks, I am long on SEO, if I ever do sell I will tell you and why, if I don't post on "exciting days" I have job to do and quite often I am away somewhere in the world of packaging. I'm hardly Mr Expert investor anyhow.

Re: 1.5m T-trade. All of todays trades are reflected in todays price otherwise the MM's would adjust accordingly. Common sense?

We should all agree to return this thread back to how it was starting NOW.
There was good camaraderie until recently but I don't like to see my old mates being verbally abused and called rampers. We are investors in SEO who believe in the potential, thats it.

Lets see if you can all behave!!

Off to watch the Scousers try and win the Champions League, perhaps we should all take a leaf out their book, no don't nick cars, CALM DOWN, CALM DOWN!!!

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May 24, 2005 11:00 AM US Eastern Timezone

Stanelco Signs First Commercial Agreement for GREENSEAL Technology with ASDA Supplier in United Kingdom

SOUTHAMPTON, United Kingdom--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 24, 2005--Radio frequency applications group Stanelco PLC (LSE:SEO.L) has confirmed that the company has entered its first formal commercial agreement to convert packaging machinery using traditional methodology to a unique Stanelco packaging application that uses radio frequency (RF) technology to seal packages. The agreement is with a packaging supplier to British value retailer ASDA, a wholly owned subsidiary of Wal-Mart that operates 265 stores in the United Kingdom.


The agreement involves the conversion of a Mondini tray-lidding machine belonging to an ASDA supplier to Stanelco's GREENSEAL(TM), a revolutionary new packaging application that utilizes RF to create the tightest, most efficient seal now available for packaging food and retail goods. The agreement was concluded after extensive trials confirmed the capability of Stanelco's RF packaging technology. Trials are continuing with other selected ASDA suppliers.

Stephanie Morgan-Fisher, Director of Stanelco's North American Operations said, "The UK conversion marks the beginning of a revolution in packaging. This is the first machine of ASDA's 200-machine commitment in the United Kingdom. We are aggressively marketing this technology in North America simultaneously and expect to announce our first agreement for conversions in the United States and Canada in the near future."

The identification of the supplier was not announced for reasons of confidentiality, but Stanelco CEO Ian Balchin indicated the size of the supplier and the longevity of their relationship as a provider of packaging services with ASDA was "substantial."

Stanelco's RF packaging technology will provide a number of benefits for both ASDA and the consumer, including:

-- Increased sales

-- Reduced waste

-- Longer shelf life

-- Cost reductions on packaging materials

-- Energy and labor savings

-- Extensive environmental benefits

"This announcement takes Stanelco to the next stage of maturity as a business as our technology enters full scale production. We are very excited by the success of the trials, as are both ASDA and the supplier. The commercialization of the technology is being adopted at an unusually fast pace," said Staneclo CEO Ian Balchin.

Tony Ruane, Technical Manager of the Meal Solutions division of ASDA, observed, "With food safety being increasingly high on everybody's agenda, RF presents the answers to many problems being experienced with current packaging technology. ASDA and our selected suppliers have been very excited with the possibilities that RF has to offer. The supplier has recognized the capabilities and benefits of RF tray-lidding for ASDA, themselves and more importantly, the customer."

Stanelco is already moving ahead to market its GREENSEAL packaging technology to leading U.S. grocers and retailers, including Wal-Mart. Stanelco recently opened a North American office in Orlando, Fla., to undertake international sales and implementation efforts for marketing their unique packaging applications.

Stanelco PLC, headquartered in Southampton, England, was founded in 1953. Stanelco is engaged in the commercialization of new applications, innovations, products and processes based on radio frequency (RF) technologies. More information: http://www.Stanelco.co.uk.

Contacts


YPB&R Public Relations, Orlando, Fla.
Rod Caborn, 407-838-1799
Rod_Caborn@ypbr.com
or
Stanelco
Stephanie Morgan-Fisher, 407-838-1754
smorgan-fisher@stanelcoinc.com



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Sequestor,

I am not sure that shorting does balance the market out. It sure makes certain stocks more volatile. I have copied an article on the topic AGAIST shorting myself and my business partner wrote for lemming investor.

Sorry its off topic people.

Elric Lloyd-Langton
Edward Kalfayan

August 29 2004


Lets cut to the chase, we hate shorting. and do not seek to short any
company.? In particular we are against Hedge Funds. It took the
losses and rescue of the American hedge fund Long Term Capital
Management (LTCM) in September 1998 to see its great scale and
destabilising effect. as a serious threat to the world economy. With a
capital base of some US$4-5 billion, LTCM was able to obtain loans
of US$200 billion and used these to place positions in financial
markets worth $1,300 billion. LTCM had to be saved from collapse by
intervention of the US government to avert a US meltdown, and
through knock-on effects, an international one.

After the dot com boom there was a period when it was nearly
impossible to make money by buying a share, however well the
company was performing. Frustrated investors took advantage of the
new instruments formed for leveraged trading - CFDs and Spread
bets- and turned them upside down to make money in the only way
possible - by shorting. They got a taste for it. The hedge funds then
followed the eccentric individual investor, turned punter, down into the
small caps, with damaging consequences..

Just over 12 months ago; many ordinary folk who have worked hard all
their lives, fully expecting to retire, found that their pensions were no
longer worth the value originally projected, and were forced to put
back their retirement plans. A long term downward spiral exacerbated
by the hungry bear squeeze, was a relatively new phenomena.
Pension funds and endowments were under performing, why? These
funds allocate assets to hedge funds. These same hedge funds were
using the shares loaned to them by pension managers to short the
very companies that the pension managers were supposedly
managing for PIs and institutions alike, effectively giving the keys to
the burglar.

There is not much point in minnows railing against this activity on a
global scale; but we can usefully point out the threat to small
companies in the pre-commercialisation stage, when making losses,
or still worse, when researching or designing, and without turnover are
at their most vulnerable. Some will argue that short selling offers the
astute investor a chance to buy at a discount after shorters have
ravished a company, But these companies contain the seeds of our
future. They have enough difficulty managing their way into profit
without having investor support destroyed by volatility as well. Why are
we allowing such practices to continue when so much damage can
occur?

Shorting may be fine when dealing with large bodies like a Footsie
stock, or a currency, because the activity at the private investor level
does no harm to the share price. When a previously profitable
company suddenly performs badly or dishonourably, shorting can be
just arbitrage of an inevitable price fall and does no net damage. It can
be likened to culling a sickly stag.

But when dealing with an innovating small cap with potential,, a large
short - using borrowed shares as in a spread bet or CFD,- reduces
the share price against the true reflection of the business, and sends
out a false signal. The private investor is then led to believe that
something is wrong ,which is not yet in the public domain. Such a
person is thus deceived into selling his shares below true market
value, and these are then bought back by the shorter at a lower price -
from which he makes a profit.

This destroys value

It is widely thought on the BBs, that damaging innuendos, fabricated
stories, disinformation, even libel, is being used by private shorters to
leverage out long The situation is made much worse, morally, when
hordes of agitators board the BBs and de-ramp with plausible lies
and distortions ,disinformation and even libel thus driving the
lemmings to greater panic. The ideal victim is an entrepreneurial one,
taking high risk, one with start-up losses, even no income, but high
hope value and therefore trading at a high premium.There is
circumstantial evidence that this value destroying agitation is being
professionally orchestrated by hedge funds, .something which if true,
the FSA will in time be called upon to deal with, for sure.

Shorters this year at 3DM, Proteome, and BioProgress,, drove the
share prices down by around 60%, and over two years at Wiggins by
95%, until all the weak holders had been frightened into selling out.
The shorting only stopped when the downside became too small
against the recovery upside. In each case the price is now recovering
slowly. The shorters have left. . The shorting opportunity is now
reduced since the remaining holders of the stock are resolute and
have mostly topped up since the bottom.. The opportunity to short
again is now less than it was with a virgin investor body.

Wiggins was in our opinion severely damaged by professional
shorters. Little else can explain that for two years the property assets
increased in value - in one of the greatest property inflations of our
lifetime - whilst the share price fell consistently.
Chinese walls are supposed to separate market making for corporate
advice, but BB speculation was rife with gossip that one broker was
persistently reported to be dropping the bid price before other m/ms,
and recommending clients to sell. This was of course a way of
stimulating turnover, but very many Wiggins investors lost 80% of their
capital from it, whilst the broker made their profits. Of course we have
no way of knowing if BB gossip has any validity, the broker is certainly
not going to add any weight to such gossip by entertaining such views.

It is also very probable, but libellous to name names, that when the
Accounting Panel recommended that the Wiggins accounts be
restated, one or two established journalists exploited the damaging
PR Though Xerox and many other plcs were caught by the same
change to accounting conventions of that time, Wiggins was seen as
more vulnerable, and the CEO's origins an easier target for racist and
unjustified character attack. The dog was given a bad name, and
allowed shorting groups to wade in. There was much talk at the time of
the 'North London Mafia' profiting from this discord.

Shorting is not seen as dishonourable in the financial community,
where arbitrage both ways including shorting has a role to play in
smoothing out currency changes. It is the application of this process to
immature companies which we find distressing. The bigger question
for now: is Should the FSA allow hedge funds to continue to
exacerbate market sentiment, and drive down valuations putting future
retirement at such risk?.

The hedge funds, for example the publicly quoted MAN, are
immensely profitable often with 50% margins. This money comes from
somewhere. It is not conjured out of thin air. Value is being extracted
from the national gross asset and consumed in covering the costs and
overheads in these funds. This would be .parasitical on our economy,
were it not offset by even greater predations on the economies of
other countries..

Any number of you could be looking forward to your retirement,
confident that you have done your research, invested your hard earned
spare capital with care, only to learn that a hedge fund has set about
bombing the shares price. The so called expert manager has got his
numbers wrong. The company in which you had your ISA maxed to the
hilt is over valued, and heading for a fall...but to be on the safer side,
the hedge fund can give it a helping hand on its way to the bottom; You
have some hard choices to make.






http://www.lemminginvestor.com

fred , it was posted yesterday. amazing how much influence this ek has. he says he might short and the price drops. then he says he's changed his mind and there begins the turn , with buyers flooding back in. it's quite frightening to think this one guy can have so much influence over our shares. i might start believing in kaizer sauzee next. interesting day. i hope i am wrong and it all depends wether there is any news but i'm not sure this is the bottom.

elrico, scary article!

going long, you make money eventually out of real worth created by a productive and profitable company making reall goods and services - a non-zero sum game.

going short, you merely make money at the expense of other inivestors - a zero-sum game.

did you ever hear the story of the prisoner's dilemma? as far as I recall, it's all to do with enlightened self-interest producing a better result for all concerned than narrow-minded self-interest.

with his tail cut short and his ears cut long (never did uunderstand that bit) oh where oh where can he be?

sd

OH FORGET IT !!
God this is one crap bb to try to post on at night!!!!!!!!

g`night!!!!!!

Going short or long does not effect the intrinsic value of a company. If you bought because of its fundamentals they are unchanged by wobbles in price movements.

Today SEO traded about 3million pounds worth of its shares. Ie. approximately 1.25% of its valuation on to-days price of about 241 million. I do not see that shorters are going to have much effect on the future value of the company.

The owners of over 97% of the shares in the company are happy or prepared to watch and wait.

The only real problem shorters etc. create is if a punter has taken a short term position and while the market makers are keeping their books straight they want to cash in their holdings.

If that is their situation they should question their decision to be in the market or tolerate the pain.

If you buy good stock eventual you will probably get good returns, if you gamble without a reasonable look at the basics you are likely to get burnt. As I unfortunately do some times even now.

You cant change the rules of the game or market because you dont like or it is not of advantage to you,


The market plays big boys and girls games with real money.

PS sorry about double posting.