Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Excellent idea.

Says it all.

Disclosure is a bad idea iyo?

Are you a new chap stan ? :-))

Certainly cut welfare. Health, education and pensions need their money.

Send him to Australia.. one way of course.

Australia is rated as being the best place in the world to live.

damn expensive now

So if you cut welfare further, that means that the following will be involved

state pension
Free TV License
winter fuel payment
pensioner credits
free prescriptions
free dental costs
eye tests
earing aids
help with law costs
child benefit
one parent benefit
free bus passes
grants to LAs

In fact I could go on and on but this pie chart shows the breakdown.

Now get this just 3% of welfare goes to the Unemployed, get that Ill say it again just 3% of one government budget goes to the unemployed, but the NASTY PARTY want to use these new statements into fooling you that you are being ripped off and paying out of your income a massive amount for sick, disabled and genuinely poor people. SHAME ON YOU IF YOU BELIEVE THIS TORY PROPOGANDA.

Do you really want pensioners, the disabled, the needy poor to have cuts made to there meagre incomes that they can barely live on each week????????????

the ‘welfare’ category puts a whole new meaning on our Government’s favourite phrase “we’re all in this together.”

Except we’re not all in this for the same reasons.

Some of us have worked hard for 50 years to get ‘in this.’

Some of us have met with tragic accidents to get ‘in this.’ Some of us have developed illnesses we’d never heard of before to get ‘in this.’

Some of us are ‘in this’ simply because we love our severely disabled children deeply and have given up our own jobs and lives to give them the best lives possible.

Some of us are ‘in this’ because we were born simply too severely disabled to lift a finger.

Working is our impossible dream, but one we wish every day could come true.

But the Government doesn’t seem to care.

More money spent on culture then housing & utilities ?

Haystack

To much spent on education, when 1940's school children can read , write and do maths better then the average teenager of today

Good to see you back posting Stan.

I for one will be turning the letter around and saying RETURN TO SENDER, I hope others do aswel.

At what age do you get a free tv license now

What we should be getting through our letter boxes is a letter telling us how they are goin to recover the following and then we all pay less tax than just a small group of rich cheats and thieves.........

ah but if you're married, then you may not escape when you think you will

sticks - it'll be interesting to follow HMRC vs Ingenious ....
HMRC wanted to delay going to court - now next week i think - which i think implies they think they not have such a solid case after all

Cyners not with you just had a cat nap can you explain further please?

Ingenious is the film investment company that was used as a tax avoidance vehicle

big hoo-ha a couple of months back when many here were shouting and screaming about any investor in same being a total crook
in fact, i have a feeling that this company and its scheme has been in existence for some years and invests in genuine films

And just as Im posting out comes this from the Guardian.............

What the Tories won’t tell you in their ‘transparent’ tax statement
Only 3% of the welfare budget goes on unemployment, 46% goes on pensions. But if Osborne told us that, how could he justify more cuts?

Suzanne Moore
The Guardian, Monday 3 November 2014 20.40


‘George Osborne’s tax statement is designed to make people think we spend more on bad things (welfare) than on good (health).’ Photograph: Ferdinand Ostrop/AP

George Osborne is spending £5m of public money to tell us how your money is spent. Soon every household will get an “annual tax statement” showing what our taxes are spent on. This plan, announced a couple of years ago, now conveniently comes to fruition as the Tories gear up for the election.

In the pointlessly fabricated language that politicians speak, Osborne said these new visual illustrations “will show how hard-working taxpayers have to pay for what governments spend”.

What about the begrudging, lazy taxpayer, Gideon? Or your ultra-rich friends who have more tax-dodging schemes than a comedian has nasty jokes? Still, this is a revolution. “A revolution in transparency.” Transparency is good. Knowledge is power and all that.

But actually, this is not what is happening. This is basically a giant mailshot to justify more cuts. What the Treasury has shown us so far is that the statements will be divided up into welfare, health, education and so on. So if someone earns £30,000 a year they will see that £1,663 goes to “welfare”, and £892 to “education”. They will see that the biggest chunk of their tax goes not to the sick, to pensioners or disabled people, but to this amorphous blob of “welfare”.

If people bother to go to the government website, where the welfare budget is broken down, they can see that only 3% of welfare goes to the unemployed, while pensions account for 46%. But this is not what we will see on our statements. It is designed to make people think we spend more on bad things (welfare) than on good (health).



he word welfare itself is now a dog whistle indicating waste and worthlessness. The Tory narrative, largely accepted, is that they are the ones who are hard enough to stamp the waste out. This absolutely cynical presentation of data reinforces the myth that a huge amount of our budget goes to the able-bodied, working-age unemployed.

It props up the idea that we pay tax for others, not for ourselves, for we are hard-working atoms in a world devoid of human connection. As Will Hutton says, tax is a fundamental expression of social interdependence, funding the environment in which businesses flourish, whether through research or railways. The Tory credo acknowledges public obligation as mere philanthropy, as belonging to the rich. It even tramples on the notion of the good Samaritan: the party that will let migrants drown and food banks multiply.

A true revolution in transparency would mean talking about tax avoidance and tax cuts to billionaires. It would also mean not making the decision to destroy all records relating to MPs’ expenses claims before 2010. But this has gone ahead because Westminster continues to destroy information and evidence about the powerful.

What is transparent is that this election will be about unstitching the social fabric to such an extent that great holes will gape open. If people whose standard of living has already dropped are made to feel they are paying unnecessarily and unfairly for others’ “welfare”, politics is reduced to its lowest common denominator.

We just vote for more or less tax. We vote for ourselves and hope like hell we never need the safety net that is being deliberately torn up. These are statements about more than just tax. And an actual revolution in transparency would tell us how much of our hard-earned tax has gone into making what is basically electoral propaganda for the Tory party.

Cyners it does invest in some genuine films but it goes a lot deeper than that.

Next week is it, keep the thread in the loop as to what is going on please.