goldfinger
- 09 Jun 2005 12:25
Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).
Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.
cheers GF.
cynic
- 05 Nov 2014 11:32
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minimum wage in usa
unless i am much mistaken, the minimum wage in usa is $7.75 (~£4.85) with all sorts of exemptions from that
no further comment required!
cynic
- 05 Nov 2014 11:36
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fred - i'm not sure if you are advocating an open-door policy, for sometimes it looks that you do and other times not!
anyway, if we have some sort of quota system - eg a point system as in oz - then once a person has been accepted under same, then of course he should also benefit from the the benefits ......
i would still allow said immigrant to be booted out in the event that he commits serious or habitual crime
goldfinger
- 05 Nov 2014 11:38
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FRED your above post, give me time to think it over. And Im not giving you the answer that is best suited. I will give you the truth on what I think......cheers.
PMqs just coming on might be a bit late getting back.
Not that you are un important but I think this is best prog these days on TV sadly.
Call me a sad B, her indoors does when I watch the politics.........she hasnt a clue.
Fred1new
- 05 Nov 2014 11:42
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Manuel.
American politics.
Some of the things which are needed in the UK is a method to limit the amount of money which can be used for canvassing at general and local elections.
Also, donations, financial and money raising by all parties should be in the public domain.
Also, the amount of cash used in lobbying should be transparent.
Also, complete and open examination of MPs accounts 5 years prior and after their election.
If this is not done UK government will follow the American route.
We have already started on a similar pathway.
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cynic
- 05 Nov 2014 11:51
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that the american candidates seem to have a plethora of ways of circumventing so-called financial limitations is only a very small part of the what i think is the disaster of the american political system
Fred1new
- 05 Nov 2014 11:59
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Manuel,
I am instinctively against an "immigration policy" as prescribed by the right wing of the tories and the UKIP yobs.
I have objection to intentional abuse of the "Welfare System" by any group of individuals indigenous or not.
I find it strange that it is allowed that "child benefit" can be paid to those outside the country,
As it is strange to me that a person or family earning £100000 a year can draw "benefits" (change the figures)
The concept of "welfare and health services" were as much to to protect the "fallen" person as the public from the "fallen".
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But, the real route for me is to change the circumstances from which the immigrants are fleeing from, not make it as bad here, as where they have fled from.
What irritates me more than anything is that Immigration is being played and a party political ball, by what would have be considered as the lowest ot the low.
UKIP and the likes and playing an emotional game and some of the public are falling for it.
Fred1new
- 05 Nov 2014 12:03
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Manuel,
I was told a long time ago, "When you think something smells funny, follow the money!".
Shortie
- 05 Nov 2014 12:04
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Immigrants from the 10 countries which joined the EU in 2004 contributed more to the UK than they took out in benefits, according to a new study.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29910497
Its the word 'benefits' that makes me cringe, why we have to pay benefits to immigrant EU citizens in the first place is beyond me.. Now if the law were simply changed so that we could re-bill those benefits back to which ever country the claiming immigrant is from this whole headline would be more palatable.
cynic
- 05 Nov 2014 12:05
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it's still unclear whether or not you are favouring an open-door policy
i rather think you are, but perhaps you'ld care to clarify
as so often with my nice simple questions, a nice simple yes or no answer will suffice for now :-)
Shortie
- 05 Nov 2014 12:10
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I'm 100% against being in Europe, always have been, always will be... Free Trade is nothing more than a con... I pledge my allegiance to the Queen, not some foreign parliament and not our corrupt MP's trying to sell off our legislation to Brussels.
On immigration, I have no problems with them coming, just on our terms they should be received, OUR terms, not those set by the EU... Its these terms I'm interested in..
Fred1new
- 05 Nov 2014 12:12
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Manuel.
Simple question.
Are you dying?
Yes, or No might do!
I will answer your question in my own way and time.
2517GEORGE
- 05 Nov 2014 12:13
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In response to post 49323, I find it strange that we have a National Health Service where residents in Wales, Scotland and I believe also in N. Ireland have free prescriptions, but not in England.
2517
cynic
- 05 Nov 2014 12:16
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in other words fred, you won't answer at all as is your wont!
from you, we'll just the usual load of flannel which will make a pretence at answering but of course will do nothing of the sort
no wonder you find it impossible to vote! :-)
hilary
- 05 Nov 2014 12:25
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Maybe London and the South East should devolve from the rest of the UK??
London generates 22% of UK GDP, whereas the south east as a whole only has 13.5% of the UK's population. The distribution is clearly unfairly weighted in favour of the northern scroungers and hangers-on.
doodlebug4
- 05 Nov 2014 12:26
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2517George - I did find it a shock to the system when I had to move my mother from Scotland to live in England with me and I had to pay for her hearing aid batteries which were available free of charge in Scotland.
Also I had Power of Attorney under Scottish Law and I was told it wasn't legal under English Law, so I had to have a completely new Power of Attorney drawn up which was acceptable under English Law.
hilary
- 05 Nov 2014 12:31
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Cyners,
I've noticed you keep going on at OBC for not voting, but it is his democratic right NOT TO VOTE.
When you vote at whatever level, the idea is that you vote for the person (or party) who will best represent your needs or wishes at that particular level. If you feel that none of the electoral candidates are capable of representing your wishes, then it's your prerogative not to vote.
And if somebody chooses not to vote, it doesn't remove their right to complain.
cynic
- 05 Nov 2014 12:34
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the last was merely a dig about never being able to give a straight answer :-)
doodlebug4
- 05 Nov 2014 12:34
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I'm leaving before I get on my soapbox about that hilary!-)
hilary
- 05 Nov 2014 12:35
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Put your deaf aid in first, doods!
:o)
Fred1new
- 05 Nov 2014 12:37
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Not certain.
I think it may be sensible for the rules to be different for immigrants from within or without the EU.
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I think the reciprocation costing and access to welfare within the EU have to be standardised and equivalent.
If that is so, I see no reason to why there should not be “free” movement of subjects in Europe.
Bearing in mind this does not “allow” individuals to flee from “local” criminal, or legal actions to disappear.
My feelings are there should be a closer relationship and examinations between the Tax raising authorities within the EU of those moving backwards and forwards across borders, especially those with large suitcases.
From outside the EU.
More problematic, but again I think it depends upon the reasons for the migration and the support facilities which are on offer.
If the intention is to be dependent rather than independent with a reasonable standard of living then I may draw a line.
Because they can’t pay the bills to-day doesn’t mean they can pay the bill to-morrow and give you a tip.
However, I see a comparison with individuals who live in the Cayman Isles but like occasionally pop back to the UK for a day racing and pick up a pay packet.
It is bloody complex.
I wonder how many tombs of rules on immigration there are already.