Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

The euro has destroyed the €U and led directly to Brexit

Jeremy Warner
23 August 2016 • 7:23pm


They just don’t get it, do they? Of all the stupidities aired by EU policymakers in response to Britain’s referendum vote, there are two standouts.

One was the verdict of Herman Van Rompuy, former president of the European Council. Cameron’s decision to hold a referendum, he said, was “the worst policy decision in decades.

You’ll be relieved to learn that Jean-Claude Juncker, President of the European Commission (Europe manages to have no less than five separate presidents), doesn’t agree.

In fact, he says, “borders are the worst invention ever made by politicians”. This from someone who while prime minister of Luxembourg cynically used sovereign borders to make Luxembourg into Europe’s premier tax haven.

Even acknowledging that this latter remark was made in the context of the migrant crisis, it goes to the heart of what’s gone wrong with the European Union. For together with Mr Van Rompuy’s condescending dismissal of the democratic process, it displays a deep contempt at the heart of the European project for the collective will and concerns of the people.

As the economist Joseph Stiglitz, notes in a compellingly argued new book on the failure of the European project – The Euro, and its threat to the future of Europe – on virtually every occasion when voters have been directly consulted, they have rejected the idea of further integration.

And in each case, whether it was introduction of the Euro or reform of the constitution, they have been ignored.





The EU cannot stop Britain from leaving, but what it can do is turn a tin ear to the message that loud and clear Britain’s vote for Brexit has delivered – that Europe isn’t working and if it is to survive, then it must urgently reform.

On current evidence, it shows virtually no sign of doing so.


more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/08/23/the-euro-has-destroyed-the-eu-and-led-directly-to-brexit/

I 've stated in the past that the bureaucrats in Brussels would rather see
europe collapse then to give up on their european dream.

The sprouts will do whatever the fatherland tells them..Brussels is effectively controlled by Berlin, and dances to their tune.

There can be no other explanation to the stupidity that we see going on in €uroland.

Can't wait til the EU's new budget talks take place without Britain's huge subsidy. It'll be every man for himself and bollox to unity unless of course Germany agrees to stump up all of the missing cash (and that won't happen).

Yes the old lady in blue there doing more damage to Europe than Hitler , sounds daft but it is damage that is really going to be irreversible .

I just love it that we voted OUT ....

granny , Owen Smith , more to the point how thick must he be ? a huge number of Labour voters voted out ,does he think another referendum would win him an election ,and to think these morons want to run our country .

I to just love it that we voted out and don't have ANY voter remorse
whatsoever..

As to Owen Smith being thick...He's not thick just anti democratic, and
no different from the rest of the champagne socialist, at least Corbyn has
said that the people have spoken and the UK should LEAVE the EU.

you guys are hilarious

there are stupid ways of implementing "leave EU" like throwing all the toys out of the pram without properly thinking it through

and a more sensible approach to "leaving EU" wherein all aspects are properly considered and discussed - and with an end result with which no one is truly happy; ie a "good result"

Thee is a growing appetite for Soft Brexit

With who Haystack ,you ?
if it doesn't happen the Tory party are in deep water mark my words ,just remember what i said in 3 years time you will see a shock to British politics .+

I actually don't think that's going to happen ,for the moment i'm going to trust May ,she sacked the little twit that is Osbourne in quite a cruel way that will do for starters .

my attitude and opinion has remained constant once i decide that "out" was the way i would vote

With the City, some larger businesses and the EU.

Well you can't count the EU and what the 3 stooges are proposing shows that we were right to vote 'Leave' Whilst there are difficult times ahead they will be shown to be less difficult than if we voted to 'Remain'
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/06/26/parliament-must-decide-what-brexit-means-in-the-interests-of-the/

Well Haystack, you know what you can do with your version of brexit!

Not mine. I prefer a complete cut, but I am not convinced we will get it

does your definition of "a complete cut" mean severing all trading links with eu?

No. That would be impossible. I would prefer to be treated as though we were not adjacent to EU, such as Australia and have us swallow tariffs if necessary to avoid other constraints.

so effectively ditch all preferential rates then as to get those would inevitably have certain strings attached
mind you, all goods sold into EU would have to comply with their regs anyway


any concerns over the potential loss of the City's influence and stature as the European commercial hub across the board?