Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

The lesser spotted millibandus must be sick as a parrot, even sitting in his posh new York apartment pales against what might have been.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11218334/Conservatives-snatch-first-poll-lead-for-six-months-as-Ed-Milibands-woes-worsen.html

Conservatives snatch first poll lead for six months as Ed Miliband’s woes worsen

Labour leader's future as leader could be discussed at a meeting of the party's ruling National Executive Committee this week

The Tories have seized their first lead in the ICM Wisdom Index poll for six months, reversing Labour’s lead in just a month and deepening the crisis of confidence over Ed Miliband’s leadership.

The Conservatives have turned Labour’s two point lead in the same poll last month into a one point lead in just four weeks.

The news came as it emerged that Mr Miliband's future as leader could be discussed at a meeting of the party's ruling National Executive Committee this week and a Labour MP said that the party should disguise Mr Miliband's weaknesses by relying more on the shadow Cabinet to present policies.

Asked, in ICM’s latest Wisdom Index poll for The Sunday Telegraph, what percentage share each party would win if there were a general election tomorrow, respondents put the Tories on 31 per cent, against Labour’s 30 per cent. The UK Independence Party was third on 16 per cent, and the Liberal Democrats fourth on 13 per cent.

Mr Miliband’s future as party leader could be raised at a meeting of the officers on the party’s ruling National Executive Committee this week. A key meeting of the NEC last week to plan for the year ahead was poorly attended.

One NEC member said: “The place was in meltdown and a totally febrile atmosphere. There is a man is stuck in his job but no one wants it and everyone thinks he is useless. There is no resolution.”
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The news came as a former Blairite minister warned that if Labour wins May’s general election Mr Miliband will be forced to financially cripple pensioners because of spending commitments he has made elsewhere.

Alan Milburn, a Health Secretary under Tony Blair, told an audience of Labour supporters at the party’s conference in September that it would not be “feasible for the Labour Party to continue to protect pensioners from the effect of cuts which is what Ian Duncan Smith has done”.
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According to the Mail On Sunday ,one of his key allies shadow education secretary Tristram Hunt claimed in a private conversation that Mr Miliband's attempts to revive his popularity by "getting closer" to voters was a "total failure".

"I never believed the answer to Labour's problems was to show people more of Ed Miliband. It has been a complete failure, making things worse not better," he reportedly said.

I make you this promise: if I am prime minister I will never risk your businesses, British jobs, or British prosperity by playing political games with our membership of the European Union.

but i won't try to fight against any legislation and edicts from brussels and shall embrace them all and even add bells and whistles, nor do anything at all about controlling immigration, and i'm awfully sorry if this has negative effects on this country and no, i didn't hear any outcry at all about wanting a referendum so you, the public, could determine our future within or without eu ...... and yes, i know that's an awfully long sentence without any proper breaks, but i didn't want anyone to have a chance to get a word in edgeways and thus spoil my pitch


what a pillock! ..... he's as credible as the moronic lot opposite

Hazyone,

Well that is good.

I agree with Miliband's stance over recognition of Palestine.

If the Zionists don't like it so be it.

I don't have any wish for a party with any decency to be in hock to any lobbying group
such as the Con party continues to indulges with and seems to enjoy or at least feels at home with.

Tell me Haze. who picks the "dinner bill" when Dave and George have the parties for Conned donors at No 10.

Is it true Murdoch or Rebecca or messengers still slip in through the back gate and give Dave his policies?

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Actually, to me, the Mail playing the "Jewish" card once again. Remnants of the 30s and the far right (Facsists). Bring back the dirty politics of that period and which the communist used against opposing views,

(Kill the messenger and ignore the messages. Hoping the blood will distract the public from the real issues.)

Do you feel at home in swimming in that pool?


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Edited.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband-tried-persuade-gordon-4597019

ED Miliband tried to persuade Gordon Brown to stand for the Scottish Labour leadership, according to a senior party source.

Miliband sent a member of the Shadow Cabinet to ask the former prime minister to stand before nominations closed last week, the Independent on Sunday reports.

The source added: "Gordon showed good sense in turning it down."

Hazyone, is becoming the Lord Haw-Haw of Moneyam.

He seems a throwback to 30s and 40s.

Even his party has moved on since then!

Although it stumbled under Thatcher and is under this one!

Just like Dave H/S is doing a sterling job and long may it continue -):

Haystack posts some very interesting points and information on this thread, but unfortunately some of his posts tend to get swamped by monotonous twaddle.

Is that Fred and Stan?

I have not for one minute suggested that. :-))

Here come the trolls.

No camps follows with buckets in attemot to clean their masters messes.

What has become of a once respectable Tor party.

I don't know who has the hardest job Hancock or Regev defending their leaders.

Asked a simple question on Europe ministers duck, dive and look shifty, and shiftier!

God the barrow boys are really in charge of the Lunatic Asylum located in No 10.

Yet for all the Tory failings the Labour party cannot (as they should be) forge ahead in the polls.
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Don't forget, that 'Chukker the Mooner' isn't speeeled with a letter 'c'.

:-)

251,

Have a look at the table the game is being played on.

Have a look at the timing.

Remember the crashing result of the 2010 and the scapegoating they were subjected to by some of the media, instead of distributing some of the blame on the financial services who were doling out the future debt.

Also, they had been in power for 13 years you would expect that those in ministerial office would be a little worn out and move on to different pastures.

It need time to form a team fit for government. (The tories haven't.)

I am surprised how well labour have held together and instead of disintegrating and appear to have reorganised and is thinking out policies from a changed in UK, EU and World politics and economics.

(The EU, M.E.. Ukraine Africa and on and on.)

This is so reminiscent of weak Labour leaders of the past. Oh how they plotted to rid the party of Brown but were too disorganised to do the deed. Labour have already lost three elections by having dead duck leaders; Foot, Kinnock and Brown. Now they are going to do it again.

What a great spectator sport it is, watching Labour imploding.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/nov/09/labour-attacks-ed-miliband-cowardly-create-worst-all-worlds

‘Cowardly’ Labour attacks on Ed Miliband create ‘worst of all worlds’

The Labour leadership has hit back at “cowardly” attacks on Ed Miliband by anonymous MPs, warning that they will create the “worst of all worlds” in which his authority as a potential prime minister is undermined.

As senior Labour MPs revealed that at least 20 shadow ministers are prepared to call for Miliband to stand down if Alan Johnson indicates he is willing to stand for the leadership, the new shadow Cabinet Office minister Lucy Powell challenged the critics to speak publicly.

In a sign of the deep unease at senior levels of the party after four days of internal criticism, Powell told BBC Radio 5 Live: “What I would say to those people is be careful what you wish for. If … there are people that are concerned about Ed, yet don’t want a leadership contest, then what they are doing in briefing anonymously and, in my view, cowardly briefing newspapers – they are bringing about the worst of all worlds. So they need to decide what their plan is and get on with it either way.

Yakatee yak.

Exactly! Labour are all talk and no trousers