Thought I'd start a new thread as this is going to be a major talking point this year...have not made up my mind yet...(unlike bucksfizz)....but thinking of voting for an exit as Europe is not doing Britain any good at all it seems....

47 - btw stan, if you read my post properly, you'ld note that i started off with "imo" ...... the conclusion is a sequitur in the event of the situation being realised

Well....I might be turning into a UKIP wet.....not sure about voting to leave Europe now as it seems it will bring more problems than solve them.....decisions....decisions.....illusions......and what about this EDF finance chief quitting ?.....strange non ?.....

just as a thought ......

there seems to be strong support even if not general consensus for the view that the whole eu structure and its governance needs a a pretty drastic overhaul

that being so ......

if uk stays "in", what pressure is there then on the eu parliament to do anything?

if uk votes "out", surely that is very likely to foment further unrest among other member states, thus applying far greater pressure for reform?

..not sure about voting to leave Europe now as it seems it will bring more problems than solve
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Have they got to you with their bullshit rf ??

If the UK vote out cynic i really believe it could disband the EU over time.

Nothing would make me vote to stay in and even more so now with the underhand tactics they are using .

I always have been in two minds jimmy b....still have not made my mind up.....

JB.

Will you leave the country if the vote is to stay in the EU?

i side with RF, though my current inclination remains "out"

I think as the months go on you will get more information and also more scare mongering .

we'll certainly get a great deal of half-truths
the difficulty will be to determine what has NOT been said

Michael Gove and Jacob Rees-Mogg are well respected MP's who give credence to the 'Leavers', whereas DC has embarked on a scare and threats campaign, which could be counter productive for him. The electorate want the true facts and the problems that are likely to present themselves (as best they can ascertain) should we vote to leave.
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though the electorate may want "true facts" they won't get them from either camp
to be fair, no one can be certain what will result from the referendum, whichever way it goes

certainly "out" is taking a leap of faith into the unknown, and there is no doubt that the effects of such a vote will be volcanic in the markets, and even in the true economic world

some effects may be guessed at, but for sure there will be a number of serious consequences that will not have been envisaged ...... some may even be beneficial in the longer term, but no one knows

Yes we won't have all our laws meddled with by the European Court of Human Rights and we won't have stupid laws that hinder small and medium business ,
plus we can chose who comes in to this country ,people we need ,not millions of unskilled Roma gypsies and on top of that we may be just in time to not have to take a million or more Syrians and god knows who else among them .

you think ...... but don't bet on it!!

on human rights, i'm unsure of the effect of an "out" vote
i cannot imagine that we would scrap HRA, and i'm not even sure how far it can or indeed should be modified
as i understand it - and that could easily be incorrect - HRA aligns us with ECHR
however, how dissimilar are uk or even european codes from those of say usa?

"......stupid laws that hinder small and medium business."
However, I think that large UK based businesses would like to remain in. They employ a large workforce and pay considerable sums to HMRC. Should we ignore their wishes?
My only criticism of the whole media debate is that no one really seems interested in what is best for the nation.......just what is going to benefit themselves, or not.
I must admit that I am still undecided, but think that eventually, voters will probably prefer the devil they know.
Just seen that a chap called Jean Monnet in 1947 proposed European integration and started the process with the European Coal & Steel Community.

That's what he said Fred, I may volunteer to run him to the airport if I'm in a good mood.

ST of IC today -

I would also point out that the UK is strategically a very important importer of new cars from EU countries, something that has not been lost on German automotive manufacturers who account for a third of all new cars sold in the UK each year. True, sterling has lost 10 per cent of its value since last summer which erodes the profits to be earned by exporters to the UK. But as the fifth largest economy in the world, and with over 800,000 jobs in Germany alone dependent on the UK car sector, there is a huge dependence on maintaining exports to our important end market.

facebook and hmrc
if facebook are mitigating their uk tax liabilities by giving massive bonuses to their uk employees, then most certainly i have no problem and nor should hmrc or anyone else

Yes, but what has the German car industry and all those jobs got to do with it?

Trade between the €urozone/blighty is running at about 2/1 in their favour.


But they wont give a toss, and will erect trade barriers cos it's political, common sense don't come into it (at first)

Personally I do not think they will do anything, all talk at the moment. The whole EU outfit has not got long to survive in my view, even if we are in or out. Again I say the whole idea was mad and was doomed from the outset. Perhaps it was set up Germany to rule Europe. Can't work, can never work.