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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

In The Land of the B - 11 May 2011 17:17 - 5000 of 6906

And as for the hayparrot, he's a car crash :)

aldwickk - 11 May 2011 18:34 - 5001 of 6906

Better that Fred is on track when the train is comming

Haystack - 12 May 2011 16:00 - 5002 of 6906

A May report issued by Israeli rights group B'Tselem reveals that Israel used political and military means to take control of 77.5 percent of the land in the Jordan Valley and northern Dead Sea area.

The Israeli state has maintained an illegal occupation of the West Bank since 1967. The report clearly states that Israel's intent is to annex the area to the occupation state of Israel.

The significance of the area is that it has the largest land reserve in the West Bank. Over 15,000 Palestinian Bedouins live there in dozens of tiny communities.

Some of the land was taken after the departure of refugees, and more than half was usurped by legal manipulation and declared state land, B'Tselem reported.

Most of the water resources in the area have been set aside especially for the some 9,400 Jewish settlers living in the 37 settlements, that include seven outposts. The report highlights that the water taken from there, most of which is allocated for the settlements, amounts to almost one-third of the water allotted to Palestinians in the West Bank.

It says that water consumption in Bedouin communities is equivalent to the quantity the UN has determined is the minimal amount needed for survival in disaster areas.

The planning policy under the Israeli occupation make it impossible for Palestinians to develop communities, the report goes on to say.

In The Land of the B - 12 May 2011 16:29 - 5003 of 6906

Hey parrot, you need to get a life !
You've been quiet for a while with your OCD, I wondered if you'd found a drug therapy which works. Ask your doctor for a different SSRI; they're not all the same.

Haystack - 12 May 2011 16:36 - 5004 of 6906

You never seem to react well to news items that show Israel in a bad light. I would suggest some medication for you, but there is no known treatment for being a fascist.

In The Land of the B - 12 May 2011 16:37 - 5005 of 6906

Greg, you really need to get laid ! LOL !

Haystack - 12 May 2011 16:42 - 5006 of 6906

This from a Jewish Israeli newspaper today.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/ethnic-cleansing-of-palestinians-or-democratic-israel-at-work-1.361196

Ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, or, democratic Israel at work

While we are still desperately concealing, denying and repressing our major ethnic cleansing of 1948 - over 600,000 refugees, some who fled for fear of the Israel Defense Forces and its predecessors, some who were expelled by force - it turns out that 1948 never ended, that its spirit is still with us.

It happened on the day after Independence Day, when Israel was immersed in praise of itself and its democracy almost ad nauseam, and on the eve of (virtually outlawed ) Nakba Day, when the Palestinian people mark the "catastrophe" - the anniversary of the creation of Israel. My colleague Akiva Eldar published what we have always known but for which we lacked the shocking figures he revealed: By the time of the Oslo Accords, Israel had revoked the residency of 140,000 Palestinians from the West Bank. In other words, 14 percent of West Bank residents who dared to go abroad had their right to return to Israel and live here denied forever. In other words, they were expelled from their land and their homes. In other words: ethnic cleansing.

While we are still desperately concealing, denying and repressing our major ethnic cleansing of 1948 - over 600,000 refugees, some who fled for fear of the Israel Defense Forces and its predecessors, some who were expelled by force - it turns out that 1948 never ended, that its spirit is still with us. Also with us is the goal of trying to cleanse this land of its Arab inhabitants as much as possible, and even a bit more. After all, that's the most covert and desired solution: the Land of Israel for the Jews, for them alone. A few people dared to say it outright - Rabbi Meir Kahane, Minister Rehavam Ze'evi and their disciples, who deserve a certain amount of praise for their integrity. Many aspire to do the same thing without admitting it.

The revelation of the policy of denying residency has proved that this secret dream is in effect the establishment's secret dream. There one doesn't talk about transfer, heaven forfend; nobody would think of calling it cleansing. They don't load Arabs onto trucks as they once did, including after the Six-Day War, and they don't shoot at them to chase them away - all politically incorrect methods in the new world. But in effect that's the goal.

Some people think it's enough if we make the lives of the Palestinians in the territories miserable to get them to leave, and many have in fact left. An Israeli success: According to the Civil Administration, about a quarter of a million Palestinians voluntarily left the West Bank in the bloody years 2000-2007. But that's not enough, so various and sundry administrative means were added to make the dream come true.

Anyone who says "it's not apartheid" is invited to reply: Why is an Israeli allowed to leave his country for the rest of his life, and nobody suggests that his citizenship be revoked, while a Palestinian, a native son, is not allowed to do so? Why is an Israeli allowed to marry a foreigner and receive a residency permit for her, while a Palestinian is not allowed to marry his former neighbor who lives in Jordan? Isn't that apartheid? Over the years I have documented endless pitiful tragedies of families that were torn apart, whose sons and daughters were not permitted to live in the West Bank or Gaza due to draconian rules - for Palestinians only.

Take Dalal Rasras, for example, a toddler with cerebral palsy from Beit Omar, who was recently separated from her mother for months only because her mother was born in Rafah. Only after her case was publicized did Israel let the mother return to her daughter "beyond the letter of the law" - the cruel letter of the law that does not permit residents of Gaza to live in the West Bank, even if they have made their homes there.

The cry of the dispossessed has now been translated into numbers: 140,000, only until the Oslo Accords. Students who went to study at foreign universities, businessmen who tried their luck abroad, scientists who went abroad for professional training, native Jerusalemites who dared to move to the West Bank temporarily - they all met the same fate. All of them were taken by the wind and expelled by Israel. They couldn't return.

Most amazing of all is the reaction of those responsible for the policy of ethnic cleansing. They didn't know. Maj. Gen. (res. ) Danny Rothschild, formerly the chief military governor with the euphemistic title "coordinator of government activities in the territories," said he heard about the procedure for the first time from Haaretz. It turns out that not only is the cleansing continuing, so is the denial. Every Palestinian child knows, and only the general doesn't. Even today there are still 130,000 Palestinians registered as "NLR," a heartwarming IDF acronym for "no longer a resident," as though voluntarily, another euphemism for "expelled." And the general who is considered relatively enlightened was unaware.

This is an absolute refusal to allow the return of the refugees - something that would "destroy the State of Israel." It's also an absolute refusal to allow the return of the people recently expelled. By next Independence Day we'll probably invent more expulsion regulations, and on the next holiday we'll talk about "the only democracy."

Haystack - 13 May 2011 11:33 - 5007 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/israel-opens-its-gates-to-the-world-shuts-them-to-palestinians-1.361422

Israel opens its gates to the world, shuts them to Palestinians

The covert deportation of West Bank residents in order to increase the number of Jews in the West Bank, like the declaration of land as state land to build settlements on it, is an example of the occupations rotten fruit.

Haystack - 13 May 2011 13:32 - 5008 of 6906

Palestinian official records unveiled that the Israeli Occupation Forces have killed around 7000 Palestinian citizens in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank since 2000, the majority of them in the Gaza Strip.

A report issued by the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) revealed that 7342 Palestinians were killed by the IOF between 29 September 2000 and 31 December 2010 and that by the end of the year 2009, the IOF troops killed 7235 Palestinians, 2183 in the West Bank, including 124 women, and 5015 in Gaza Strip, including 414 women.

The report also added that the year 2009 was the bloodiest year with 1219 Palestinian citizens killed at the hand of the IOF troops, followed by the year 2001 where 1192 Palestinian were killed with IOF bullets.

In 2010, the report pointed out, 107 Palestinians were killed in addition to nine Turkish human rights activists massacred on board the MV Mavi Marmara as they tried to help the besieged Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip.

Moreover, the report underscored that the IOF troops arrested nearly 750 thousand Palestinians, including 12000 women and tens of thousands of minors, leaving every Palestinian household with at least one member of it arrested.

Furthermore, the report said that around 6000 Palestinian captives were still held in Israeli jails, including tens of Arab captives, 37 female captive, 245 minors, and 181 who had been in jail for more than 20 years now.

In The Land of the B - 13 May 2011 14:27 - 5009 of 6906

You really ought to get laid, parrot.
It'll calm your frustration and hysteria down a lot.

Bernard M - 13 May 2011 14:37 - 5010 of 6906

Who gives a rat's ass.

In The Land of the B - 13 May 2011 15:19 - 5011 of 6906

He's just such a clown with his obsessions, he's funny in a sad sort of way LOL

cynic - 13 May 2011 16:20 - 5012 of 6906

Who gives a rat's arse? ..... hope you don't mind me correcting the spelling! ..... but i agree, and whatever the zealots on this thread might think, the average joe (ahmed!) in riyadh or cairo or dubai or even damascus would almost certainly also concur

Haystack - 13 May 2011 17:09 - 5013 of 6906

On Friday that more than a million Arab people rallied on Friday in support of the Palestinian cause in Palestine and a number of Arab countries.

Our correspondents reported that the largest such rally was the one held at the Tahrir Square in the Egyptian capital Cairo.

Participants in the Tahrir Square rally started gathering there before dawn and the rally culminated at the Friday prayers in the afternoon. Participants called for opening the Rafah crossing, and called on the Palestinian resistance not give up armed resistance. They called for Egyptian national unity and not to fall in the trap of those who are trying to sow discord between the Muslims and the Christians.

Similarly, huge demonstrations took place in Lebanon and Jordan to mark the Palestinian Nakba (catastrophe) in 1948 when Israel was created for immigrants from Europe who uprooted the indigenous Palestinians from their land and destroyed around 450 Palestinian villages in the process.

In the West Bank, the IOF was on high alert and carried out numerous arrests to try and prevent any rallies marking the 63rd anniversary of the Nakba.

In occupied Jerusalem, IOF troops took stern measures to prevent large numbers from reaching the Aqsa Mosque by preventing Palestinian people under the age of 45 years from passing through roadblocks on their way to the Aqsa Mosque.

The Israeli occupation premier, Benjamin Netanyahu has ordered that all possible measures should be taken to prevent the marking of the anniversary by Palestinians.

Meanwhile, Palestinians in 1948-occupied Palestine, marked the Nakba anniversary at the same time the Israelis marked what they call independence. Activities marking the anniversary will continue.

Marches towards the borders of occupied Palestine will take place on Sunday prompting fears of the occupation government that matters can get out of control.

The Israeli occupation asked the PA and its president Mahmoud Abbas to control the Nakba marches that Palestinians intend to hold.

The 63rd anniversary of the Nakba came at a time in which great changes are taking place in the Arab world rekindling hope for Palestinian refugees that their return to the homes they were thrown out of is getting closer.

cynic - 13 May 2011 17:28 - 5014 of 6906

and MG has had several massive popular rallies of late too!

Haystack - 14 May 2011 10:28 - 5015 of 6906

Turkish premier Recep Erdogan has renewed his belief that Hamas was not a terrorist organization but rather a political party with official and popular legitimacy.

He said in an interview with the American CBS TV network on Thursday night that Hamas was defending its occupied country and has won elections on an anti occupation agenda.

Erdogan said he was pleased the Palestinians signed a reconciliation agreement, adding that this was what his country had been working for, for years.

The Turkish premier explained that his country had exerted big efforts toward that end.

Haystack - 14 May 2011 18:04 - 5016 of 6906

Violent clashes broke out at noon Saturday between Israeli troops and Palestinians marching in the funeral procession of the 16-year-old boy, Milad Ayash, who was shot by an Israeli soldier yesterday and succumbed to his wounds at dawn today.

Two Palestinians were injured with rubber bullets when the troops attacked the procession as it was heading to Bab Al-Rahma cemetery for burial.

Ayyash was considered the first martyr in the third intifada (uprising), which activists were trying to ignite as of Friday.

The Israeli police and army were put on high alert after Palestinian youth groups announced intention to organize events and marches on the 63rd anniversary of Palestine Nakba.

aldwickk - 14 May 2011 19:59 - 5017 of 6906

I think Haystack is " Doing a Fred " and winding you lot up.

cynic - 15 May 2011 07:42 - 5018 of 6906

i think he just likes the monologue

Bernard M - 15 May 2011 11:47 - 5019 of 6906

Most Uk people don't give a shit about Israel, Libia, and the rest of them.
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