Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

Here here -):

cynic . over 4 million got food poisoning last year from eating in restaurants and take away meals . bbc news this morning yes over 4 million

as for pensioners bus passes most pensions have paid their taxes all their lives and now unable to drive . why should the scum immigrants come to the uk and get anything 96% pay no taxes but claim housing benefit use our hospitals doctors dentists and pay fcuk all in .
all immigrants if they have no insurance should be allowed to suffer or go back to their own country instead of begging here .
we do not need scum to clean cars and pay no tax .no insurance no services
what do you call a rich pensioner most I know get less than 20k a year before tax
£346 aweek take away heating c/t water food insurances for house heating repairs dentist they do not have much left . the ones that never worked live in rented house
£165 a week free c/t £30 a week free dentist free then they get around a family of two children over 215 a week why both working better off staying at home

fred very good my vie is even better empty our prisons give them a tablet to take if they want to end their sad lives then deport the immigrants in our prisons
get the planes ready and if they have no pass port drop them in the sea off Syria

I am always amazed that anyone votes for Labour. They never actually help the poor and disadvantaged. They talk about it a lot, but are too incompetent to achieve anything. Now when you come to Labour and Miliband together, it is surprising that there are people want such a toxic combination.

Hi TANKER whats up bud?

Well done TANKER tell your crowd they have done the right thing as this present Tory lot arent MPs but are nothing less than mobsters who will stop at nothing to get there way and will lie all the way to the bank with mine and your money.

The sooner we get proper tories back who show compassion and look after the old and disabled the better.

Good on you and the boys.

Haystack,

I think the people who vote Labour are mostly northerners.

I'm told they talk funny and live the other wrong side of Hendon apparently. Wherever that might be.

Hays yawn again, how on earth would a posh boy like you know how labour treats the poor and disadvantaged.

For a kick off these Tory mobsters have all but dam it closed down LA agencys that helped the poor and disabled.

What about Library's and Public parks aswel.

What about grants to charities what about legal aid.

Your NASTY lot have taken it all away so you can cut Bankers taxes, YES the people who Bankrupt this country ......no one else.

Britain's broken business model

How is Britain to pay its way in the world? Carry on as we are, and we won’t




We need more factories, George, and fewer shopping centres, if we are going to balance the books Photo: Getty Images



By Douglas Carswell

2:22PM GMT 13 Nov 2014

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11228907/Britains-broken-business-model.html


It's 30 years since the UK government last ran a balanced budget. Since then our governments have piled borrowing upon borrowing. Public debt has doubled over the past four years, with the Coalition incurring a further £100 billion this year alone.


Britain today is better at buying things that other countries produce than at producing things others want to buy. Our balance of payments data – the difference between what we import and export – looks dire. Selling off London real estate to balance the books won’t work forever.


We need to change Britain’s business model. Hosing cheap credit at the economy might create growth. But it is growth based on over consumption and debt. It means we build lots of shopping malls but not enough factories.


UK plc’s business model today depends heavily on importing cheap labour. So much so, in fact, that per capita GDP has been falling.


This cheap credit / cheap labour model is subsidised by the state. Government not only conjures up cheap credit for the banks, they use the tax credit system to publicly subsidise low wages. The government is borrowing billions in order to help big corporate interests keep wages down.


This is not free market capitalism, but crony corporatism. If we are to maintain our living standards in the years ahead, things need to change. The massive pull of capital and productive output to Asia and elsewhere could be an opportunity for us. It means tens of millions of middle class consumers willing to buy things from us.

Instead of a crony corporatist energy market, we need to allow capital and innovation to cut the cost of energy, as has happened in North America. We need real bank reform and a government willing to take on the vested corporatist interests holding Britain back. Rather than remain inside the world’s only shrinking trade block, we need free trade deals with the world.

Our future prosperity depends on it.

Dear John Bercow – YOU can have #IDS Indicted 13/11/2014

Thanks to Jayne Linney for putting this on her blog, where Vox Political found it:

Dear John Bercow,

I was incredibly naive when I started campaigning for the rights of people with long term health conditions and disabilities.
I believed passionately in democracy and that here in the UK, we had one of the best political systems in the world.
I had always believed there were strict rules governing MPs and that they were held to account by customs and conventions that had served us for centuries. Sadly, that naivety is long gone.
Over the last 4 years, I’ve learnt that democracy is merely an illusion. I’ve learnt that a politician can do or say virtually anything he or she likes and no-one will do anything about it at all.
In the case of Iain Duncan-Smith, we have seen the results of a failure to govern the governors as never before. He has lied – not “misled” or “misdirected” – to parliament repeatedly. He has lied about who is affected by his “reforms”. He has lied about who is protected from them. He has lied about how much they have saved the treasury and he has lied about their efficacy. He has lied about the level of support for his changes and lied about the timescales of their delivery.
The results of his lies are clear for all to see. Vulnerable people he promised to support go hungry or are left without care or security. Nearly a million people have been driven to foodbanks. Homelessness has risen, the benefits bill has risen and the housing bill has risen. Sanctions have soared – over 500% in the case of those too unwell to work – and a fiscal black hole of billions is becoming apparent at the treasury as every one of his major schemes grinds to a halt. Universal credit, Employment and Support Allowance, Personal Independence payments, all have failed, leaving millions stuck in limbo.
Yet still Mr Duncan-Smith lies and still his lies go unchallenged.
This petition https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/investigate-ids-for-lies calls on parliament to investigate those lies and hold a full and transparent enquiry into his conduct. He has even repeatedly bullied the media not to hold him to account, can he bully you too? Is there no-one prepared to challenge this man and stop his inhumanity?
Campaigners will never rest until the scale of this man’s failures are clearly exposed to the public. Until his dishonesty is fully revealed. He will not be reshuffled or sent quietly away to “spend more time with his family”. No matter how long it takes, Iain Duncan-Smith will be shown as the cruel bully he is.
You could choose to make sure that happens sooner rather than later, before more thousands of lives are ruined by his incompetence and lies. You have the power to restore at least some of the democracy we have lost. But make no mistake, now or in the future, it will happen. I and many like me will make sure of it.
Readers can sign the petition here https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/investigate-ids-for-lies
This letter is from the indomitable Sue Marsh , in support of the #TRUTH Campaign; Thanks Sue :-) xx
DON’T FORGET TO SIGN THE PETITION!

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MrT - you really do post a total load of bollocks at times ..... yes, i could be more specific about you latest nonsnense but i don't think i can be bothered

If Mr T is typical of Labour voters the you can see why they are in trouble. The fuss over Miliband and his and Labour's election chances is but a small sample of what is to come over the next few months.

You can pretty much guarantee that Miliband will create many more Mr Bean moments. You can also be sure that party members will despair of him as a leader. There are going to be more calls to dump him. A large percentage of Labour has already given up on winning the GE.

Labour's defeat will be Brown, Kinnock and Foot rolled into one almighty catastrophe.

Haze,

“Haystack - 13 Nov 2014 18:31 - 50190 of 50199

I am always amazed that anyone votes for Labour. They never actually help the poor and disadvantaged. They talk about it a lot, but are too incompetent to achieve anything. Now when you come to Labour and Miliband together, it is surprising that there are people want such a toxic combination.”



You are a bigger idiot and more bigoted than I thought.

Read below summary of proposals by Beveridge and introduce by Labour post 1945.

Also read the second part and the reasons why the tories were thought to lose that
election.

It rings true of to-day
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Part1

When, in 1941, the government commissioned a report into the ways that Britain should be rebuilt after World War Two, Beveridge was an obvious choice to take charge. He published his report in 1942 and recommended that the government should find ways of fighting the five 'Giant Evils' of 'Want, Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness'.

In 1945, the Labour Party defeated Winston Churchill's Conservative Party in the general election. The new prime minister, Clement Attlee, announced he would introduce the welfare state outlined in the 1942 Beveridge Report. This included the establishment of a National Health Service in 1948 with free medical treatment for all.

A national system of benefits was also introduced to provide 'social security' so that the population would be protected from the 'cradle to the grave'. The new system was partly built on the national insurance scheme set up by Lloyd George in 1911. People in work still had to make contributions each week, as did employers, but the benefits provided were now much greater.

In 1946, Beveridge was made a peer and became leader of the Liberals in the House of Lords. He died on 16 March 1963.

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Part 2

The voters wanted an end to wartime austerity, and no return to prewar economic depression. They wanted change. Three years earlier, in the darkest days of the war, they had been offered a tantalising glimpse of how things could be in the bright dawn of victory. The economist William Beveridge had synthesised the bravest visions of all important government departments into a single breathtaking view of the future.

The 1942 Beveridge Report spelled out a system of social insurance, covering every citizen regardless of income. It offered nothing less than a cradle-to-grave welfare state.

That was the great promise dangled before the British electorate in 1945. Though Churchill had presided over the planning for radical social reform, though he was a genuine hero of the masses - and though, ironically enough, the Tory manifesto pledges were not all that different from Labour's - the people did not trust him to deliver the brave new world of Beveridge.


I think there is a greater similarity between the character you chose of Mr Bean and yourself than you may think.


However, there are important difference, Rowan Atkinson is playing the fool, while I think you are a fool who is prepared to lie.

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Pop down to PCO before your next emission and ask for help.

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i haven't studied it at all, but i think people just wanted to"abandon" everything that had to do with the war, so though there is no question that churchill was the right man at the right time, he picked up the backlash at the end of it

i also think that though churchill was a great leader in times of war, he did not make a good pm in times of peace

Cyners.

No it was a surprise.

I was there!

I think Churchill was a great orator and a Man of His Time.

He, if you looked back was more advanced in thirties and forties and possibly later than the rest of his adopted party.

The country was worn out many were worried about his "handling" of the "Cold War" and dealing with the Empire.

They didn't feel like enlisting for another period of war. although National Service took its place, or continued the same practice in a slightly different form.


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But Attlee managed that postwar period extremely well and soldered the NHS Wellfare Services and Education services, etc. in IRON.

LLoyd George and Beveridge did the "Dream Work" and Atlee's government of cabinet responsibility help to enshrine the dreams.

The Civil servants drew up the necessary deals and Aneurin Bevan filled the mouths of the doctors with gold.

It cost, but many of the actions of the Attlee government may have saved the UK from a form of "Civil War".

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Just an over-simplified opinion.

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All governments have their problems and mistakes, but it is the dismissal of the effects and harm of the policies, which may occur that are the problems.

I have caught a few fish, but it always took me more time than others, that is where skill comes in.

This government has disregarded the skills and advice of others in their own party.

Anyone notice how George Osbourne is looking so thin tired and warn out. Looks more like Mr Bean eveyday.

Its either worry or all the upper class binges he goes to. Probably at the Bullingdon Club, just remember chaps "you cant beat a bit of bolly down the bully".

hays I along with the lads at the club knocked on thousands of doors to get our conservative in to power he will lose is seat and we are going to tell him he has lost our support when he calls at the club to a labour flag all down to the liar Cameron an is sidekick . pensioners get the worst pensions in the eu and now he wants to take away their benefits knowing most pensioners would sooner starve than beg .
old age pension £113 a week living wage £280 a week
mst of the pensioners never had big wages and could not save .on poor wages .

when I now look at the last war and the terrible thinks that happened under hitler
I think of cynic