Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

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MrT - you really do post a total load of bollocks at times ..... yes, i could be more specific about you latest nonsnense but i don't think i can be bothered

If Mr T is typical of Labour voters the you can see why they are in trouble. The fuss over Miliband and his and Labour's election chances is but a small sample of what is to come over the next few months.

You can pretty much guarantee that Miliband will create many more Mr Bean moments. You can also be sure that party members will despair of him as a leader. There are going to be more calls to dump him. A large percentage of Labour has already given up on winning the GE.

Labour's defeat will be Brown, Kinnock and Foot rolled into one almighty catastrophe.

Haze,

“Haystack - 13 Nov 2014 18:31 - 50190 of 50199

I am always amazed that anyone votes for Labour. They never actually help the poor and disadvantaged. They talk about it a lot, but are too incompetent to achieve anything. Now when you come to Labour and Miliband together, it is surprising that there are people want such a toxic combination.”



You are a bigger idiot and more bigoted than I thought.

Read below summary of proposals by Beveridge and introduce by Labour post 1945.

Also read the second part and the reasons why the tories were thought to lose that
election.

It rings true of to-day
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Part1

When, in 1941, the government commissioned a report into the ways that Britain should be rebuilt after World War Two, Beveridge was an obvious choice to take charge. He published his report in 1942 and recommended that the government should find ways of fighting the five 'Giant Evils' of 'Want, Disease, Ignorance, Squalor and Idleness'.

In 1945, the Labour Party defeated Winston Churchill's Conservative Party in the general election. The new prime minister, Clement Attlee, announced he would introduce the welfare state outlined in the 1942 Beveridge Report. This included the establishment of a National Health Service in 1948 with free medical treatment for all.

A national system of benefits was also introduced to provide 'social security' so that the population would be protected from the 'cradle to the grave'. The new system was partly built on the national insurance scheme set up by Lloyd George in 1911. People in work still had to make contributions each week, as did employers, but the benefits provided were now much greater.

In 1946, Beveridge was made a peer and became leader of the Liberals in the House of Lords. He died on 16 March 1963.

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Part 2

The voters wanted an end to wartime austerity, and no return to prewar economic depression. They wanted change. Three years earlier, in the darkest days of the war, they had been offered a tantalising glimpse of how things could be in the bright dawn of victory. The economist William Beveridge had synthesised the bravest visions of all important government departments into a single breathtaking view of the future.

The 1942 Beveridge Report spelled out a system of social insurance, covering every citizen regardless of income. It offered nothing less than a cradle-to-grave welfare state.

That was the great promise dangled before the British electorate in 1945. Though Churchill had presided over the planning for radical social reform, though he was a genuine hero of the masses - and though, ironically enough, the Tory manifesto pledges were not all that different from Labour's - the people did not trust him to deliver the brave new world of Beveridge.


I think there is a greater similarity between the character you chose of Mr Bean and yourself than you may think.


However, there are important difference, Rowan Atkinson is playing the fool, while I think you are a fool who is prepared to lie.

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Pop down to PCO before your next emission and ask for help.

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i haven't studied it at all, but i think people just wanted to"abandon" everything that had to do with the war, so though there is no question that churchill was the right man at the right time, he picked up the backlash at the end of it

i also think that though churchill was a great leader in times of war, he did not make a good pm in times of peace

Cyners.

No it was a surprise.

I was there!

I think Churchill was a great orator and a Man of His Time.

He, if you looked back was more advanced in thirties and forties and possibly later than the rest of his adopted party.

The country was worn out many were worried about his "handling" of the "Cold War" and dealing with the Empire.

They didn't feel like enlisting for another period of war. although National Service took its place, or continued the same practice in a slightly different form.


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But Attlee managed that postwar period extremely well and soldered the NHS Wellfare Services and Education services, etc. in IRON.

LLoyd George and Beveridge did the "Dream Work" and Atlee's government of cabinet responsibility help to enshrine the dreams.

The Civil servants drew up the necessary deals and Aneurin Bevan filled the mouths of the doctors with gold.

It cost, but many of the actions of the Attlee government may have saved the UK from a form of "Civil War".

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Just an over-simplified opinion.

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All governments have their problems and mistakes, but it is the dismissal of the effects and harm of the policies, which may occur that are the problems.

I have caught a few fish, but it always took me more time than others, that is where skill comes in.

This government has disregarded the skills and advice of others in their own party.

Anyone notice how George Osbourne is looking so thin tired and warn out. Looks more like Mr Bean eveyday.

Its either worry or all the upper class binges he goes to. Probably at the Bullingdon Club, just remember chaps "you cant beat a bit of bolly down the bully".

hays I along with the lads at the club knocked on thousands of doors to get our conservative in to power he will lose is seat and we are going to tell him he has lost our support when he calls at the club to a labour flag all down to the liar Cameron an is sidekick . pensioners get the worst pensions in the eu and now he wants to take away their benefits knowing most pensioners would sooner starve than beg .
old age pension £113 a week living wage £280 a week
mst of the pensioners never had big wages and could not save .on poor wages .

when I now look at the last war and the terrible thinks that happened under hitler
I think of cynic

last week I posted to buy sbry at 240p now 273p will hit 300p by xmas

SBRY EX DIV 20TH 5P BUY TAKE THE DIV AND BY JAN OVER 300P YOU WILL NOT NEED GOOD LUCK ITS A CERT

50206 - chuckle .... not entirely sure what those thoughts might be!

Here Nigel putting the NHS on his barrow like Wacky Dave:

Cameron issues a new policy statement on Jihadists before his Rochester downfall.

Pity he couldn't be made stateless and refused readmission.

more crap from Cameron just do it not talk action is far better take a way their pass ports for good they are terrorists ,why is the bbc give air time to the father of the terrorists he should be deported

it is however an interesting question as to whether or not a person can be made stateless, which i gather taking away someone's passport does .... and no, that is not just the "bleeding hearts" who will claim that, but under true international law

It's just another sound bite by a desperate tosser.

going to fight in another country then that is their chosen country end of
their choice ,