Thought Id start this one going because its rather dead on this board at the moment and I suppose all my usual muckers are either at the Stella tennis event watching Dim Tim (lose again) or at Henly Regatta eating cucumber sandwiches (they wish,...NOT).

Anyway please feel free to just talk to yourself blast away and let it go on any company or subject you wish. Just wish Id thought of this one before.

cheers GF.

i haven't studied it at all, but i think people just wanted to"abandon" everything that had to do with the war, so though there is no question that churchill was the right man at the right time, he picked up the backlash at the end of it

i also think that though churchill was a great leader in times of war, he did not make a good pm in times of peace

Cyners.

No it was a surprise.

I was there!

I think Churchill was a great orator and a Man of His Time.

He, if you looked back was more advanced in thirties and forties and possibly later than the rest of his adopted party.

The country was worn out many were worried about his "handling" of the "Cold War" and dealing with the Empire.

They didn't feel like enlisting for another period of war. although National Service took its place, or continued the same practice in a slightly different form.


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But Attlee managed that postwar period extremely well and soldered the NHS Wellfare Services and Education services, etc. in IRON.

LLoyd George and Beveridge did the "Dream Work" and Atlee's government of cabinet responsibility help to enshrine the dreams.

The Civil servants drew up the necessary deals and Aneurin Bevan filled the mouths of the doctors with gold.

It cost, but many of the actions of the Attlee government may have saved the UK from a form of "Civil War".

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Just an over-simplified opinion.

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All governments have their problems and mistakes, but it is the dismissal of the effects and harm of the policies, which may occur that are the problems.

I have caught a few fish, but it always took me more time than others, that is where skill comes in.

This government has disregarded the skills and advice of others in their own party.

Anyone notice how George Osbourne is looking so thin tired and warn out. Looks more like Mr Bean eveyday.

Its either worry or all the upper class binges he goes to. Probably at the Bullingdon Club, just remember chaps "you cant beat a bit of bolly down the bully".

hays I along with the lads at the club knocked on thousands of doors to get our conservative in to power he will lose is seat and we are going to tell him he has lost our support when he calls at the club to a labour flag all down to the liar Cameron an is sidekick . pensioners get the worst pensions in the eu and now he wants to take away their benefits knowing most pensioners would sooner starve than beg .
old age pension £113 a week living wage £280 a week
mst of the pensioners never had big wages and could not save .on poor wages .

when I now look at the last war and the terrible thinks that happened under hitler
I think of cynic

last week I posted to buy sbry at 240p now 273p will hit 300p by xmas

SBRY EX DIV 20TH 5P BUY TAKE THE DIV AND BY JAN OVER 300P YOU WILL NOT NEED GOOD LUCK ITS A CERT

50206 - chuckle .... not entirely sure what those thoughts might be!

Here Nigel putting the NHS on his barrow like Wacky Dave:

Cameron issues a new policy statement on Jihadists before his Rochester downfall.

Pity he couldn't be made stateless and refused readmission.

more crap from Cameron just do it not talk action is far better take a way their pass ports for good they are terrorists ,why is the bbc give air time to the father of the terrorists he should be deported

it is however an interesting question as to whether or not a person can be made stateless, which i gather taking away someone's passport does .... and no, that is not just the "bleeding hearts" who will claim that, but under true international law

It's just another sound bite by a desperate tosser.

going to fight in another country then that is their chosen country end of
their choice ,

how can they be stateless when they have chosen to fight in another country that makes them apart of that country and their home . Cameron more talk no action just make it law

Manuel,

I agree.

But making an announcement in Australia, before having the necessary debate in HP is bloody arrogance and posturing for Rochester.

I believe that he has already broached the idea and was told by Dominic Grieve that under International law his “proposal” was illegal.

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But if the individuals are thought to be "dangerous" I would think it would be better to have them in full view, rather than have them underground where the real "villains" would probably be anyway.

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He is out of touch!

Latest YouGov / The Sun results 13th November -

Conservatives in the lead again by 1

Con 33%, Lab 32%, LD 8%, UKIP 15%;

UKIP still not in territory to win any seats in the GE.

not sure that's fair fred, but i don't know enough to contradict

MrT - not so, any more than those who went to spain in that most bloody civil war suddenly acquired spanish citizenship