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Israeli Gaza conflict?????? (GAZA)     

Fred1new - 06 Jan 2009 19:21

Will this increase or decrease the likelihood of terrorist actions in America, Europe and the rest of the world?

If you were a member of a family murdered in this conflict, would you be seeking revenge?

Should Tzipi Livni and Ehud Olmert, be tried for war crimes if or when this conflict comes to an end?

What will the price of oil be in 4 weeks time?

Haystack - 20 May 2011 14:38 - 5048 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/obama-to-aides-netanyahu-will-never-do-what-it-takes-to-achieve-mideast-peace-1.362964

Obama to aides: Netanyahu will never do what it takes to achieve Mideast peace

Comment reported in New York Times comes amid growing tensions between Washington and Jerusalem over the U.S. President's backing of a Palestinian state within 1967 borders.

U.S. President Barack Obama does not think Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will ever make the concessions necessary to achieve a Middle East peace deal, the New York Times cited Obama aides as saying on Friday.

The comments attributed to associates of the U.S. president comes amid what is turning become into a veritable war of words between Israel and the U.S., following Obama's Mideast strategy speech on Thursday in which the American leader voiced his support for a Palestinian state based on 1967 borders.

In what seems to be a response to Netanyahu's comments, Obama aides told the New York Times that the U.S. president did not believe Netanyahu will ever be willing to make the kind of concessions that would lead to a peace deal.

Those comments, which seem to heat an already intense atmosphere between Netanyahu and Obama, comes just hours before a fateful meeting between the two leaders in the White House on Friday.

Haystack - 20 May 2011 14:39 - 5049 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/j-street-israelis-run-ad-urging-recognition-of-a-palestinian-state-1.362886

J Street, Israelis run ad urging recognition of a Palestinian state

New York Times ad signed by Israel Prize laureates, former Knesset members, former diplomats and former defense officials, calls to establish Palestinian state on the basis of the 1967 borders.

An advertisement signed by several prominent Israelis that appeared in the New York Times yesterday urged Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and U.S. President Barack Obama to work to create a Palestinian state based on the pre-1967 armistice lines.

The ad, which largely copied the text of an ad that appeared in Haaretz on Wednesday, was placed in the Times by the left-wing Jewish lobby J Street in advance of Netanyahu's arrival in the United States today.

The Israeli signatories are affiliated with a group that demonstrated in Tel Aviv a month ago in favor of recognizing a Palestinian state. They included Israel Prize laureates, former Knesset members, former diplomats and former defense officials.

The text of the New York Times ad read as follows: "We, the citizens of Israel, call on the public to support the recognition of a democratic Palestinian state as a condition for ending the conflict, and reaching agreed borders on the basis of the 1967 borders. Recognition of such a Palestinian state is vital for Israel's existence. It is the only way to guarantee the resolution of the conflict..."

The advertisement was also published in European newspapers.

Haystack - 23 May 2011 13:33 - 5050 of 6906

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=221824

Zahar: Palestinians should not settle for 1967 borders

Hamas leader says 1967 borders not enough, and parties must be prepared to discuss 1948 and partition plan lines.

Senior Hamas leader Mahmoud Zahar said Monday that it was clear that US President Barack Obama's platform was not so different from the one adopted by former US president George W. Bush. According to Zahar, the 1967 borders, while "sacred," were not the final borders on which the Palestinians should settle.

Speaking to Al-Emirate Al-Youm, Zahar asked "Why won't we talk about the 1948 borders? Why won't we discuss the partition plan which was internationally recognized?"

Obama reiterated his statements from last Thursday at an annual AIPAC meeting in the US that a Palestinian state should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed land swaps, which had sparked outrage from many in the pro-Israel community.

According to Zahar, Obama "wants to keep us on 22% of the area of Palestine, and talks about the possibility of swapping land, including Jerusalem...and he wants us to give Jerusalem to the occupation in return for 5% of historic Palestine, which is originally our land. This is a great trick."

cynic - 23 May 2011 13:37 - 5051 of 6906

all typical stuff and political posturing for domestic consumption ...... what finally emerges if we're lucky, in say 5 years time, will be something entirely different ..... in the meantime, let the nutters on on both sides kill each other

fahel - 25 May 2011 09:13 - 5052 of 6906

An open letter to President Obama from a Palestinian Christian

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"An open letter to President Obama,

I read your speeches to the State Department on May 19 and to AIPAC on May 22, 2011with dismay! Disingenuousness and exceptionalism form the basis of your rhetoric to appease Israel and its friends in the United States and such a stance is not conducive to understanding and peace.

Mr. Obama, you propose to maintain Israels qualitative military edge and remain committed to preventing Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons yet you propose a demilitarized Palestine and an Israel armed with nuclear weapons.

You will stand up to groups like Hezbollah who exercise political assassination, and seek to impose their will through rockets and car bombs but yet you allow Israel to terrorize, assassinate, and kill thousands of Palestinians annually.

You are unwavering in our [United States] support of Israels security but yet do not seem to be aware that it is the Palestinians who desperately need security from Israels aggression.

You will hold the Palestinians accountable for their actions and their rhetoric but yet allow Israel free reign in terrorizing Palestinians demolishing their homes and taking more of the supposed remaining 22% of Palestine for more Jewish only settlements on Palestinian land.

I agree that strategies of repression and diversion won't work anymore. It is about time that you offer concrete and viable alternatives to Israels repression of Palestinians both in the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem, and within Israel. Pursuing the never ending Arab-Israel peace process has always been used by Israel as additional time to expropriate more of Palestinian lands.

You once again call on Hamas to release Gilad Shalit, who has been kept from his family for five long years but you do not seem to care about the thousands of Palestinian men women, and children who are in Israeli prisons and who regularly undergo torture.

You say that Israel cannot be expected to negotiate with Palestinians who do not recognize its right to exist even though Palestinians and many groups have done exactly that on many occasions. You will continue to demand that Hamas accept the basic responsibilities of peace: recognizing Israels right to exist, rejecting violence, and adhering to all existing agreements but yet you do not require the same of Israel who has violated international law, countless UN Security Council resolutions, and who does not recognize Palestine as a state.

You demand that Hamas must recognize Israels right to exist. No state in the world insists on its right to exist. Israel further wants to be recognized as a Jewish state. This is a racist notion as it automatically relegates the 22% of its Christian and Muslim citizens to second rate status. Furthermore, only states recognize each other. Hamas is a political party and not a state.

Mr. President, why do you not ask Israel to recognize Palestine?

For all those who continually affirm Israels right to exist or who insist that Palestinians must recognize Israels right to exist and even now to recognize Israels right to exist as a Jewish state, I say that what is being asked is approval of the destruction of the Palestinian homeland and the continued subjugation of an entire people. It tells all Palestinians that it was right to terrorize, massacre and dispossess them in 1947-48. The ethnic cleansing of Palestinians both within the 1949 armistice lines was deemed necessary so that a state free of Palestinians be formed. A further sequel to this wish is the continued dispossession of Palestinians both within Israel and the occupied Palestinian territories.

The governments of Israel and the United States must acknowledge the wrongs against the Palestinian people in forming the state of Israel. The partition plan in 1947 was against the wishes of the majority of Palestines inhabitants, and the subsequent deprivation of their inalienable right to self determination, to home, and country are wrongs that must be acknowledged. To continually affirm that Israel has a right to exist is to affirm the morally objectionable tactic of ethnic cleansing of Palestinians employed in its formation in 1948, in 1967, and continuing to this day.

You proclaim that the United States will never abandon our support for those rights that are universal and that you have respect for the rights of minorities in the Middle East; however we do not hear you ask for the human and civil rights of the Christians and Muslims in Israel and in the rest of what is left of Palestine!

You say that prosperity also requires tearing down walls that stand in the way of progress but I do not hear you demand that Israel remove the separation barrier (wall/fence) built on Palestinian lands.

Mr. President, you claim that the United States wishes to promote reform across the region, and to support transitions to democracy, yet the United States and Israel through economic measures brought about the downfall of a democratically and fairly elected government in the Palestinian territories in 2006.

Mr. Obama, in claiming that antagonism toward Israel is used as a means to redirect Middle Easterners grievances away from their governments, ignores the facts on the ground. There are real grievances such as the past ethnic cleansing of Palestinians from their country; the continued land grab to build Jewish only settlements on Palestinian land, contrary to international law; the brutal occupation of the Palestinians territories, the daily terror that Palestinian children experience particularly in Gaza; and the daily humiliation of Palestinian parents under occupation.

Mr. President, you demonize Palestinians by saying that they teach their children to hate and are terrorists but ignore the rampant hatred and racism exhibited by Israelis. On the issue of terrorism, it is Israel that kills many more Palestinians. Violence is intolerable, but both must stop the violence: Palestinians should stop resorting to stones and homemade rockets and the Israeli army should stop using its mighty and modern arsenal to bomb and shoot Palestinians including unarmed, peaceful resisters.

Mr. Obama, you think that the Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state, but at the same time you characterize the Palestinians wish for a country of their own as a symbolic action and a wish to isolate and delegitimize Israel. This discordant talk betrays a lack of evenhandedness which is also demonstrated by all too frequent United States vetoes in the United Nations Security Council in defense of Israels flouting of international laws.

Mr. President, when will you hear the anguished cry of Palestinians yearning to be free from occupation of their country?

The majority of the Israeli and Palestinian people just want a normal life. They can be helped only with a firm commitment to the truth, to justice, and to reconciliation.

With the beliefs and statements in your speeches to the State Department and to AIPAC, Mr. President, how can you be an agent for peace?

Nahida Halaby Gordon

May 22, 2011



Nahida Halaby Gordon is a professor of statistics. Professor Gordon, a life-long Presbyterian and currently a church Elder, is a Palestinian-American who experienced, first hand, the 1948 Palestinian Nakba."
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fahel - 25 May 2011 09:40 - 5053 of 6906

John Perkins

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUMJogom1bA

Gausie - 25 May 2011 18:27 - 5054 of 6906

Brian Perkins

Haystack - 25 May 2011 20:51 - 5055 of 6906

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13552685

Gaza: Egypt 'to open Rafah crossing to Palestinians'

Egypt is to open the Rafah border crossing into Gaza permanently to most Palestinians from Saturday, Egyptian state news agency Mena has said.

Gaza has been under blockade since 2007, when the Islamist Hamas movement took control of the territory.

Under ex-President Hosni Mubarak - ousted in February - Egypt opposed the Hamas administration and helped Israel to enforce the blockade.

Israel says the blockade is needed to stop weapons being smuggled into Gaza.

The Rafah crossing will be opened permanently from 0900 to 2100 every day except Fridays and holidays, beginning Saturday 27 May, Mena said.

"Palestinian women of all ages will be exempted from visas as will men under 18 or over 40," Mena reported.

Rafah is the only crossing into Gaza which bypasses Israel.

The announcement marks a significant shift in Egypt's foreign policy.

The transitional military government said last month that it intended to open the crossing permanently.

The move is likely to anger Israel. Last year, Israel eased restrictions on goods entering Gaza, but significant shortages in the territory remain.

Haystack - 26 May 2011 21:34 - 5056 of 6906

I saw a news item saying that a war criminal had been arrested today for ethnic cleansing and other crimes against humanity. Imagine my surprise when it didn't turn out to be Netanyahu; maybe next time.

TANKER - 27 May 2011 09:34 - 5057 of 6906

MLADIC arrest . when are they going to arrest bush and blair .it is a disgrace they have killed millions

TANKER - 27 May 2011 09:35 - 5058 of 6906

at least he was saving is country . unlike the other muderers

yuff - 27 May 2011 13:01 - 5059 of 6906

Hay/Fahel-try and deny this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YBgUCX9gEs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Haystack - 27 May 2011 14:19 - 5060 of 6906

LOL

Of course people are going to believe some random red neck with no proof.

Haystack - 27 May 2011 14:19 - 5061 of 6906

The European Campaign to End the Siege on Gaza, said Thursday that ships from 12 European countries have expressed willingness to participate in the Freedom Flotilla 2 mission next month to break the Israeli siege on Gaza.

Rami Abdo, the spokesman of the campaign, said in a written statement on Thursday that ships from France, Italy, Germany, and Switzerland announced they would participate in the humanitarian mission in addition to eight other ships from eight European countries.

In this regard, Abdo urged the international community and countries of the participating vessels to provide the necessary protection for those ships to achieve their mission, adding that European legislators and MPs in addition to hundreds of activists and supporters of the Palestinian cause would go with the ships.

He added that more ships were joining the Flotilla despite Israeli threats that the Israeli navy would assault them if they approached the besieged coastal Strip where nearly 1.7 million Palestinians had been under siege for five years now. "The participants are determined to achieve their noble mission at any cost," Abdo said.

fahel - 27 May 2011 18:41 - 5062 of 6906

yuff,

This happens 5 years back,(look more you ((might)) find or not recent story, but what about thousands of killing stories since that date or you don't like to hear it or even look at it, anyways he did not mention the full story, and what happen to the israeli soldier who did not kill or shoot this retarded boy, do you know that the soldier is in prison and do you know why he did not shoot this boy?. because he is an bedouin arab soldier serving israeli army. anyways it is a nice story hope the rest of the soldier think and do the same whenever they can. which I doubt for israeli soldier to do it. and thats why this story teller is amazed by this soldier as it never happened before or after.

fahel - 27 May 2011 19:41 - 5063 of 6906

Yuff,


Israeli Woman Addresses Obama....
" Come and save us from ourselves..."


"Our Destiny is shaped by our thoughts and our actions ...........
We can't direct the wind but we can adjust the Sail.."
Nobody listens until you say something wrong .....
Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss people!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcGm-gxmxHw

fahel - 28 May 2011 12:58 - 5064 of 6906

AIPAC 101 What Every American Should Know

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqM2EXFdOnM&feature=player_embedded

Haystack - 29 May 2011 18:24 - 5065 of 6906

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13586799

Arab League backs Palestinian membership bid at UN

The Arab League says it will seek full UN membership for a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital.

The decision was made at a meeting in Doha attended by Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.

Mr Abbas had reiterated his determination to seek UN recognition in September unless Israel began negotiations on a "substantial basis".

US-led peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians have been stalled for months.

A statement issued by the Arab League monitoring committee on Saturday said it "supports the appeal to the UN asking that Palestine, within the 1967 borders, becomes a full-fledged state" of the international organisation.

Mr Abbas had told the meeting: "Our option is still negotiation, but it seems that because of conditions imposed by [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu... we have no choice but to use the UN to get recognition of our state.

"We are serious in our decision to use the UN, it is not manoeuvring. We will do it unless Netanyahu accepts to begin negotiations today on a substantial basis."

In The Land of the B - 30 May 2011 11:13 - 5066 of 6906

I never bother reading the parrot's endless copy and pastes; does anyone?
Apart from parrot looking at them a hundred times...LOL

Haystack - 30 May 2011 11:28 - 5067 of 6906

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/israel-should-thank-egypt-for-opening-gaza-crossing-1.364881

Israel should thank Egypt for opening Gaza crossing

Even though at first glance it might not look that way, Egypt's decision to open the Rafah crossing point is also good for Israel.

Without a doubt, Egypt's decision to open the Rafah crossing point is good for the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip and for the Hamas government. The question of whether it is good for Egypt remains open. As for Israel, even though at first glance it might not look that way, it is also good.

The fact that Gaza will now be directly connected to the Arab world might make it easier for Israel to untangle itself from a number of knots and a thoughtful and wise response to the new reality could make it easier to deal with the next flotilla.

.........

Anyone who wants to bring weapons has been doing it for years via the tunnels and we haven't been able to stop that.

Gaza is a foreign country. It is hard to digest this, but this is the logic of the disengagement, which must now be completed. Thanks are due to Egypt for having made this possible.

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